tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post3483987654884520935..comments2023-10-23T10:15:44.618-05:00Comments on The Real Shliach: Shluchim people, hear my cry!Just like a guyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-50853361654298677262008-11-19T13:49:00.000-06:002008-11-19T13:49:00.000-06:00anon: yasher loach. There's a reason I wrote that ...anon: yasher loach. There's a reason I wrote that I like to say this shtuff to kids of BTs. Heck, I'm the son of BTs. Whatever, if you get it, good, otherwise, well, comment again and I'll try and explain it. <BR/><BR/>E: there's a certain way BTs are treated in lubavitch. That's the way I was treated. And I agree, once they bring the Rebbe in, it gets annoying.Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-41728713748658145712008-11-19T11:07:00.000-06:002008-11-19T11:07:00.000-06:00Aha. I never saw those links, because I originally...Aha. I never saw those links, because I originally read the post on my phone. Well, now I know who the rabbi was, but I still feel like I haven't heard most of the story.<BR/><BR/>RE: anonymous<BR/>I hate you. You're one of those obnoxious people who are always right because they mix the Rebbe in.ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04376537400767851942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-28785899477788610262008-11-19T08:09:00.000-06:002008-11-19T08:09:00.000-06:00I think the kotzker and r'hillel paritcher were re...I think the kotzker and r'hillel paritcher were reffering to those who grew up frum, left the derech and returned. Today's baalei teshuva (like your parent's and mine) would be more in the category of Tinok Shenishba. And who can be so repulsed or suspicious of those who didn't know better l'chatchila? Plus, you didn't bring what the Rebbe said about balei teshuva....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-2983813767864037742008-11-19T02:49:00.000-06:002008-11-19T02:49:00.000-06:00e: go look at the previous post, the one that this...e: go look at the previous post, the one that this was going on, and you'll understand. Meaning, click on the links provided. <BR/>And I'm sorry if this post was badly written, but it happens to be very difficult to edit posts on an iPod.Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-65774947503489118612008-11-18T21:36:00.000-06:002008-11-18T21:36:00.000-06:00Where were you? And which shliach treated you like...Where were you? And which shliach treated you like a BT? You're telling us all the "feelings" and "fluff," but you haven't told us any hard facts.<BR/><BR/>Also, just so that you know that my praise (when I give it) is sincere, I'd like to tell you that this post was horribly written. I could not follow your train of thought. I just got the main ideas: you don't like being treated like a BT; some holy people said nasty things about BTs. More than that, I could not get.ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04376537400767851942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-41525897501785913722008-11-18T09:43:00.000-06:002008-11-18T09:43:00.000-06:00I think it's your beard that got them all BT-phobi...I think it's your beard that got them all BT-phobic about you ;)Nemohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08402531988433648505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-24263959730061682072008-11-18T02:20:00.000-06:002008-11-18T02:20:00.000-06:00What an amazing and insightful post.What an amazing and insightful post.frumhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02735783157413222489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-24070729179268296162008-11-18T00:01:00.000-06:002008-11-18T00:01:00.000-06:00Dear Mr. R.S.:Fascinating post of yours. I suspec...Dear Mr. R.S.:<BR/>Fascinating post of yours. I suspect that the circumstances of your visit may have contributed to your disconcerting status - presumably you were introduced to the relevant Chabad House by a "BT" and therefore your true status was in question. Regardless of the circumstances at least you have some insight into the dubious position of "BTs" within Chabad. To paraphrase, "all BTs are equal but some are more equal than others" and the attitude of Chabad shluchim reflects this. Stage 1 involves the early BT phase - shliach very welcoming, enthusiastic, all fun and encouragement, all doors open etc. The final stage, perhaps Stage 4 or 5, the BT is fully integrated in yiddishkeit but not, ever ever, completely accepted. Ultimately the BT remains an unknown, a potential source of sin (probably because he/she actually went to college), someone not to be trusted, certainly no one your sister/brother should marry. And this is the really sad part - and why I think so many BTs make it to Stage 4 or 5 (I have to work on the definitions of each stage - stage 3 is probably characterized by "buys a black hat" for example) and then don't progress further. Because ultimately they know they will never be trusted. So, anyway, I'm sorry you had the experience but at least you get to appreciate what it feels like to be (always) on the outside looking in. <BR/>Through the looking glass as always, L de Toot (note the literary reference corresponding to your earlier post).Leo de Toothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16839412894312524247noreply@blogger.com