tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post5347117423301922949..comments2023-10-23T10:15:44.618-05:00Comments on The Real Shliach: The closest Jews?Just like a guyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-76042635901135521422009-03-28T21:25:00.000-05:002009-03-28T21:25:00.000-05:00Okey dokey.Okey dokey.Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-60017973932888244202009-03-28T21:24:00.000-05:002009-03-28T21:24:00.000-05:00my brother is davening for the amud at tomchei so ...my brother is davening for the amud at tomchei so i will be there.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-5417457135814608282009-03-28T20:58:00.000-05:002009-03-28T20:58:00.000-05:00Oh, interesting. I'll be coming in the morning, bu...Oh, interesting. I'll be coming in the morning, but I have to take a test in taaruvos and pack my things, so I might not have too much time for chatting. How about you daven in tomchei (9:30) and we meet around then? Interested?Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-19308494722618387312009-03-28T20:54:00.000-05:002009-03-28T20:54:00.000-05:00i will be in morristown sunday until 12 and my bro...i will be in morristown sunday until 12 and my brother lives there not in a program.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-88088175868757092292009-03-28T20:01:00.000-05:002009-03-28T20:01:00.000-05:00CH is the mess it is today not because of the OTD ...CH is the mess it is today not because of the OTD kids. They're merely symptoms (and sufferers) of the problem.Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-57669614453979486652009-03-28T13:29:00.000-05:002009-03-28T13:29:00.000-05:00BS"DThat is why I said 5% of OTD cases. Given that...BS"D<BR/><BR/>That is why I said 5% of OTD <BR/>cases. <BR/><BR/>Given that there really aren't so many, I think my criteria for removal affects maybe 50 kids per large community, of whom perhaps 45 would be out for the drugs, 2 for the cults, and 3 for just being a bad influence.<BR/><BR/>Crown Heights is my point of reference BTW.<BR/><BR/>And I would have no problem banishing any kid of mine who engaged in the (spiritually endangering) behavior I had in mind, which is running around and telling other kids that basically, Judaism is chas vesholom bubbamaases. <BR/><BR/>Banishing in this case means to send a kid to a school in a less pressured setting where maybe he has a chance of going straight.<BR/><BR/>Remember when Avraham got rid of Yishmoel? <BR/><BR/>And because no one kicks the troublemakers out or even makes them feel what they are doing is wrong, Crown Heights is the mess it is today. <BR/><BR/>There is a legendary, now tired out, askan called the Red Devil who is one of the biggest ohavei Yisroel there ever was. If the legends are true, he ran a handful of people out of CH in his younger days. And that is what is needed. Tough love. <BR/><BR/>If the kanoim would yell We Want Moshiach Now and we would scream Shygetz Aross (when necessary) Moshiach would come this second.Der Shygetzhttp://creedmoorer.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-83192647655259121692009-03-27T12:07:00.000-05:002009-03-27T12:07:00.000-05:00In which program is your brother? Will you be ther...In which program is your brother? Will you be there Sunday too?<BR/><BR/>I also went to a school like that (Lubavitch Yeshiva of Minnesota) and I also worked in one (as a Shliach-Yeshiva High School of the Twin Cities). Let's just say we both have experience, and perhaps we should just agree to disagree.Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-29698310617975319112009-03-27T10:48:00.000-05:002009-03-27T10:48:00.000-05:00look i went to a school like that and now i helped...look i went to a school like that and now i helped in one i thinks i have a tad more experience than you.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-85989556855415502452009-03-27T10:39:00.000-05:002009-03-27T10:39:00.000-05:00yes visiting my brother.yes visiting my brother.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-30845207256428535092009-03-27T10:37:00.000-05:002009-03-27T10:37:00.000-05:00Trend? Actually, teenagers will usually follow a t...Trend? Actually, teenagers will usually follow a trendsetter, meaning the most radical person. Bichlal, a kid's sense of fairness and an adult's sense of fairness are not the same.<BR/><BR/>No, I'm not. Why, are you?Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-30616667006861308812009-03-27T10:34:00.001-05:002009-03-27T10:34:00.001-05:00r u in motown this shabbos.r u in motown this shabbos.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-26164294100286117542009-03-27T10:34:00.000-05:002009-03-27T10:34:00.000-05:00nope it wont. kids do have a sense of fairness. ki...nope it wont. kids do have a sense of fairness. kids dont follow one person it goes by the trend and obviously it has to go case by case.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-66217289503323583062009-03-27T10:22:00.000-05:002009-03-27T10:22:00.000-05:00Drugs? Instead of kicking the kid out, get him som...Drugs? Instead of kicking the kid out, get him some help. <BR/><BR/>Ideas? What kinds of ideas? Who are you to decide which ideas are good and which aren't? <BR/><BR/>Besides, don't you think that kicking a kid out will encourage the other kids there to follow him? Remember, why are they there in the first place?Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-46041132486833452322009-03-27T10:20:00.000-05:002009-03-27T10:20:00.000-05:00it has to be done right for example if you had a y...it has to be done right for example if you had a youth place and a kid came and you found out he offered drugs or even ideas to another kid. he should be warned he will be asked to leave. if it occurs a second time good bye you arent welcome anymore.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-63893181669340109252009-03-27T10:15:00.000-05:002009-03-27T10:15:00.000-05:00So what would you have suggested for this kid? Bic...So what would you have suggested for this kid? <BR/><BR/>Bichlal, once you're dealing with teenagers, restricting and supervising, unless done very well, are usually counter-productive.Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-9121841907347856162009-03-27T10:14:00.000-05:002009-03-27T10:14:00.000-05:00i know a kid that was having doubts nothing major ...i know a kid that was having doubts nothing major just a little disillusioned. he was sent to a yeshiva for kids that were on a lower level. he now spokes pot and does even less not out of lack of belief put peer pressure. had he stayed away from that influnce it would certanly be different. you start allowing them to stay in the community and eventually they start pulling people down. i dont mean throw them out completly i mean their interactions have to be restricted and supervised.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-7074790321390187952009-03-27T10:08:00.000-05:002009-03-27T10:08:00.000-05:00You mean the fifth chelek of Shulchan Oruch? There...You mean the fifth chelek of Shulchan Oruch? There's a story from the Satmar Rebbe, I don't remember what it was exactly, but the punchline is that there's a reason Choshen Mishpat, and specifically the laws of putting people in cherem, comes last in Shulchan Oruch-because only after you fulfilled all the laws of Ahavas Yisrael as expounded before that can you even think of going the legal route.Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-47563953379775752222009-03-27T10:04:00.000-05:002009-03-27T10:04:00.000-05:00that what the 5th chelek is for. i aware that a lo...that what the 5th chelek is for. i aware that a lot of people are lacking there but the mesorah hasnt been lost completly. yes it is a mesorah.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-33783337575557438792009-03-27T09:54:00.000-05:002009-03-27T09:54:00.000-05:00fakewood+sheygetz: Endangering lives physically? M...fakewood+sheygetz: Endangering lives physically? Maskim. Actively recruiting for another cult or religion? With the advice of a respectable rabbinical authority. But influencing other people? Let's say your daughter comes home one day with a seventeen magazine-you're gonna kick her out of the house? I didn't think so. Ahh, so you'll tell me that there's a line. Where is that line? How do you know that's where the line is? How do you know why someone is doing what they are doing. If you people go learn Perek Lamed Beis Tanya you'll see what the AR says. I don't think there's anyone nowadays who qualifies for being pushed away. I'm sure you people will disagree with me, and I'm equally sure once you mature a little/have kids you'll come round to my way of thinking.<BR/><BR/>Modeh: Yup.Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-77657674329855078332009-03-27T09:34:00.000-05:002009-03-27T09:34:00.000-05:00Huh, le7 doesn't have a sense of humor hello. (I k...<I>Huh, le7 doesn't have a sense of humor hello. (I know these things since I happen to be le7).</I><BR/>That makes some of what you say really scary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-61632967390273427562009-03-27T08:39:00.000-05:002009-03-27T08:39:00.000-05:00BS"DSorry but if someone is endangering innocent l...BS"D<BR/><BR/>Sorry but if someone is endangering innocent lives physically or spiritually, he's gotta go. Ditto for anyone recruiting for a cult or another religion.<BR/><BR/>Go can mean to jail or boot camp, or it can mean to a community situation where his issues can be addressed.Der Shygetzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156901845306359680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-38591452829472883472009-03-27T08:38:00.000-05:002009-03-27T08:38:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Der Shygetzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03156901845306359680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-1618771400851481672009-03-27T07:15:00.000-05:002009-03-27T07:15:00.000-05:00you are wrong some people need to be cut off so th...you are wrong some people need to be cut off so they dont influence other people. the questions is how far do we cut them off not if.fakewood inc.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00977529432828956254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-18781932158351323542009-03-27T02:22:00.000-05:002009-03-27T02:22:00.000-05:00Five percent? Sir, you're too harsh by half. K'bab...Five percent? Sir, you're too harsh by half. K'babas shamrem b'einei Hakadosh Baruch Hu, every Jew has a cheilek Elokah Mimaal Mamash, and I don't think you'll find any sane rabbi who would advocate driving our brother's and sister's any farther than they already are.Just like a guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14680468025321981540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1956851062928470828.post-59056216553162181052009-03-27T02:17:00.000-05:002009-03-27T02:17:00.000-05:00BS"DSadly, sometimes removal of a problematic indi...BS"D<BR/><BR/>Sadly, sometimes removal of a problematic individual is in order if that individual is hanging around so he can convince others to join him or sounding off just out of spite.<BR/><BR/>Still it is a worst case, last resort scenario that applies to maybe 5% of those who have left.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com