Sunday, August 1, 2010

Ponder this!

Was Chelsea Clinton's Chosson's wearing of a Yarmulkeh and Tallis at their nuptials a positive development for Judaism in America or was it merely the latest sign of the destruction of our once-proud religion? Does Lubavitch have a different answer to this question than, let us say for example, Povonezh? And what would Moses Mendelson say?

42 comments:

fakewood inc. said...

der chosson is geven a sheigetsz oichet. az de chassaneh is given a gitteh zach. tzvei goyim chassaneh gehat mit a mendeslsohn rabbiner.

sarabonne said...

How could intermarriage be a positive development?

The Real Shliach said...

Fake: how do you know Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky isn't Jewish?

Sara: I'm asking on a macro level here.

sarabonne said...
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Anonymous said...

Did you have yo spell the word with the v before the n? It's Ponovesz. (Don't worry if that ain't the real spelling either, but I've seen the original sign in Lithuanian.)

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

fake:
1-With a name like "מרגוליות" what do you think her religion is?

2-Don't you mean 'chaslereh'?

anon:
punivitch

The Real Shliach said...

Sara: The magic of Google, eh?

Anon: Who said Lubawitzers knew how to spell?

Menashe said...

Mendelson is dead. Roshoim, afbchayehem, kruyim meisim. Al achas kama vkama..

The Real Shliach said...

http://www.healthcare.com/profile/louis-moses-mendelson/

e said...

And why is the opinion of a pediatrician in Connecticut noteworthy?

e said...

subscribing

The Real Shliach said...

Did you see his name?

e said...

See I have seen.

The Real Shliach said...

And what thinketh thou?

Menashe said...

What a bizarre choice for a name.

Lubavitch, by definition, must have a different answer than ponovezh. Just like the old saying "If the Alter Rebbe doesn't adderess your situation, find it in chayei adom and do the opposite."

The Real Shliach said...

Whose name is bizarre?

Really? Lubavitch never agrees with anyone else?

See, we really can agree. said...

Ponevitch believes is not flipping light switches on Saturday, for example.

e said...

"If the Alter Rebbe doesn't adderess your situation, find it in chayei adom and do the opposite."

And then Lubavitchers wonder why everyone hates them...

The Real Shliach said...

Most Lubavitchers I know don't wonder- they know that everyone hates them because everyone is jealous.

Menashe said...

That's like being named after korach.

Nothing is without a source! That sefer was written specifically to counter the rise of chasidism. Obviously we will specfically oppose it. Nothing personal against my litvish brothers.

The Real Shliach said...

According to a reliable source, he actually wrote some amazing Sefarim.

Personally, I've heard that line in several different forms, so I wouldn't put too much stock in any specific one. More pertinently, aren't you the guy who is trying to make peace between the bochurim?

sarabonne said...

I don't think people hate Lubavs out of jealousy...

e said...

who mentioned jealousy?

sarabonne said...

"Most Lubavitchers I know don't wonder- they know that everyone hates them because everyone is jealous"-TRS

The Real Shliach said...

Sara: Apparently you aren't most Lubavs. Moving right along, why do you think people hate Lubavs?

e: me.

sarabonne said...

1. the gall and self-righteousness.
2. Flax attitude with halacha
3. Many think we worship the Rebbe, practice avoda zora, etc.
4. Mivsoyim and noisy mitzvah mobiles.

There's a few more but that's what I recall at the moment. I should note that this is what people have told me...

Menashe said...

I shouldn't have to forget about the uniquely special qualities of Lubavitch for the sake of sholom.

The Real Shliach said...

Sara: Excuses, excuses. I mean, people have hated Lubavitch since the beginning of time.

Menashe: "Uniquely special"?

Menashe said...

Yes.

The Real Shliach said...

Wow.

sarabonne said...

Beginning of time?

Menashe said...

There's a reason 19 kislev is called rosh hashana! It's on that day that the world found purpose.. : )

The Real Shliach said...

Sara: Correct.

Menashe: Hayom Haras Olam.

e said...

RE: jealousy

Ok. I sometimes have brain farts like that. sorry folks.

Menashe: Don't forget them, just keep them to yourself. The Alter Rebbe said (I think), "A lie one cannot say. But not every truth must be screamed from the rooftops."

Menashe said...

Yes, but between friends like us..

The Real Shliach said...

As we say about Yechi...

Menashe said...

This is a story on Matzav.com: Rabbi Krinsky to NY Times: Wrong to Believe Rebbe Was Moshiach

Of course that's not what he said at all but it's convenient for people to think he did.

The Real Shliach said...

So what's your point?

Menashe said...

Who said anything about a point? I thought this was the blog of TRS.

The Real Shliach said...

Only TRS can have no point.

Arguing with Myself said...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-golin/jews-can-welcome-inmarrie_b_699621.html

This is an article of interest regarding that interfaith marriage.

He is somewhat pro-intermarriage, but makes some interesting points on the positions of reform and conservative Judaism vis-a-vis Orthodox judaism that one wouyld not expect to hear coming from an obviously non-Orthodox, yet religious, individual

The Real Shliach said...

So what is the point of being Jewish if you're reform?