Thursday, January 28, 2010

Doves




In case you were wondering why I'm posting these, it's because I'm in a very peaceful mood.

131 comments:

Nemo said...

Those are pigeons. Not only are they gross looking, they're not nearly as delicious as dove.

The Real Shliach said...

Pigeons=Doves.

Yossi said...

is the first picture of a dove, too?

Crawling Axe said...

The second from the bottom are ravens. And the woman is Indian angel of death.

Wanna see Nepalese angel of death? Azoy.

sarabonne said...

GAAAH, Pigeons!
I've had far to many bad encounters with these monsters.

In other news my roommate is rapping a song for me. She's pretty good.

The Real Shliach said...

Yossi: Possibly not.

CA: Baltimore?

Those Nepalese sure do have style, eh?

Sara: These aren't pigeons, these are doves of love.

Rapping re: what?

Yossi said...

the first picture, he looks like somebody who just came out of a really really dirty mikveh, brushing his mustache

Crawling Axe said...

Baltimore?

Yeah. Very tznius too, despite tropical climate. I am impressed. (Of course, with her being angel and all, she probably doesn’t feel heat or humidity.)

Crawling Axe said...

Yossi, he just ate a dove.

As is the monk in the last picture (he is bentching).

Yossi said...

oh, no

sarabonne said...

My correction, it's not rap but rather old school hip-hop "No Diggity" by Blackstreet.

The Real Shliach said...

Yossi: the Ganges?

CA: Poe.

Angels don't feel? Did you read our Lubawitzer friend's post?

Sara: yes, but what is it about?

Crawling Axe said...

Sweet Lenore?

No.

sarabonne said...

Oh, the usual wooing of a woman nonsense. My roommate says it's all very complex.

I assume ignorance on the matter.

Dovid said...

CA- If thats what happens to you when you eat a dove, I say we should stick with pigeons. Then again the monk didn't turn blue so maybe it's ok. But was the monk bentching on the dove or was he bentching to the dove?

The Real Shliach said...

CA: Edgar Allen?

Nu?

Sara: nu, how does one woo? Inquiring minds want to know.

Dovid: is there a difference?

sarabonne said...

Siamese Fighting Fish.

Crawling Axe said...

I don't like the insensitive racial comments displayed here. So, this man's skin is blue. So, his facial hair is yellow. So, he looks like a Ukrainian flag. Judge a man not by the color of his mustache, but by the contents of his lunch.

Dovid said...

TRS- of course there is

Crawling Axe said...

Actually, his sclerae are red, and his cornea are black. This guy is like a palette! Now I know where Cameron got inspiration for the Avatar aliens (and Indians worship Avatars of their gods... it all fits!).

Mottel said...

Nice pics - where are they from?

Crawling Axe said...

http://dima-chatrov.livejournal.com

The Real Shliach said...

Sara: Really? Does the wooer give them live, dead, or baked in a pie?

Dovid: Expound please.

CA: You could be on the front cover of the national enquirer this week!

Mottel: From the great source of all Russian/Ukrainian/other shtuff shtuff.

e said...

ugh. pigeons are not doves of peace, especially not in New York.

The Real Shliach said...

What's with all the anti-pigeon sentiment? Are they not too creatures of G-d? Or at the very least products of the same revolution that wrought homo sapien sapiens and sliced whole wheat bread?

Crawling Axe said...

My grandparents’ neighbor used to breed pigeons. With Nikita Khruschev of all people.

The Real Shliach said...

That's how Nikita turned out so good.

Dovid said...

Simple:
Bentch on doves means praising the Creator for the doves.
Bentch to doves means bentching the doves atzmum.

The Real Shliach said...

Fair enough.

e said...

TRS: do you also love satan because he's one of god's creations?

The Real Shliach said...

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Crawling Axe said...

TRS, are you saying you like otoh-ha-ish from Bnei Brak?

The Real Shliach said...

Well, I like him the way he is now.

Crawling Axe said...

Which is (decomposed vs. not)?

The Real Shliach said...

How could someone who had a heart of stone decompose?

Crawling Axe said...

Around it.

The Real Shliach said...

And why would G-d's creations (maggots, worms, etc) even want to touch someone like him?

Crawling Axe said...

It’s actually bacteria that cause decomposition. And that’s their job — to decompose bodies full of sin. Aderabe, if there was ever a body (after Korach) that needed decomposing...

The Real Shliach said...

Nu, the main point is that he's six feet under.

Yossi said...

you know the joke about the misnaged being buried in the lubavitch cemetery, about the worms, right?

Crawling Axe said...

No.

Yossi said...

http://abochurinlubavitch.blogspot.com/2009/09/political-joke.html

The Real Shliach said...

Now we know.

Crawling Axe said...

My vegetarian friend didn’t like the joke.

The Real Shliach said...

She got it?

Crawling Axe said...

Why do you assume it’s she?

The Real Shliach said...

Because last time you talked of a vegetarian friend it was.

Crawling Axe said...

I have more than one vegetarian friend.

Crawling Axe said...

And yes, my friend got the joke. My friend has been to an institution of religious learning in CH.

The Real Shliach said...

You hang out with a strange crowd.

So why didn't he like it?

Crawling Axe said...

Are you saying vegetarians are strange?

Why do you think it’s a he?

I think my friend is just sensitive to such things. Maybe because the joke makes fun of Satmars. Or because my friend doesn’t like the machloikes.

OK, I just gave away that it’s a girl, didn’t I? Any normal guy likes machloikes.

The Real Shliach said...

Yes.

Correct.

Crawling Axe said...

I agree.

Oh well.

The Real Shliach said...

Yup.

Dovid said...

Maybe your friend doesn't like the fact that the worms had the hava amina to eat meat. Even though they decided not to eat beceause its satmar, she was perturbed by the notion that they would even think to eat a non-vegitarian course.

e said...

if a vegetarian is disturbed when animals eat meat, then said vegetarian will have lots of unavoidable disturbances is his or her life.

The Real Shliach said...

Yup, it's tough being a vegetarian.

e said...

unless you're a vegetarian who understands that it's a dog-eat-dog world.

e said...

or maggot-eat-flesh or lion-eat-zebra or whatever.

The Real Shliach said...

Who knows? Perhaps vegetarians approve of animals eating each other?

e said...

which is contrary to Dovid's hypothesis

The Real Shliach said...

Nu, perhaps you'll play the devil's advocate?

Crawling Axe said...

My friend disapproves of people eating animals because people have a choice. Hurricanes kill people too, but we don’t blame them, because they are a force of nature. Doesn’t mean it’s ok to kill people.

I think the logic makes some sense. The obvious flaw is that a) there is nothing wrong with killing animals for any reason, b) it is actually wrong to think that eating meat is immoral, because you’re saying that Torah is immoral.

Crawling Axe said...
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The Real Shliach said...

And of course, it's impossible to say that the Torah is immoral because the Torah makes morality!

o is as even as anything.

Crawling Axe said...

If Torah made morality, you could say that Torah is immoral. Or amoral. Or something. Morality doesn’t apply to it. Which would be just as well.

But Torah doesn’t make morality. It is morality.

The Real Shliach said...

OK, that's what I meant.

Crawling Axe said...

So, if a pregnant woman doesn’t eat fish, does this make her inverse-pescetarian?

The Real Shliach said...

No, just smart.

e said...

I thought of a statement which applies to all even numbers but not to zero: Any even number raised to a negative power will contain a factor of one half. But this is a silly, contrived example.

The Real Shliach said...

This is a time when in conversation one would say, sarcastically, "Yasher Koach!"

e said...

just trying to think of how 0 could not be even.

The Real Shliach said...

Oh. Do you think it's even?

e said...

Here's another way 0 could not be even.

Define "even" and "odd" as follows: As you go through the counting numbers, designate alternating numbers as even and odd. The first counting number is odd. To determine the parity of a negative number, apply the following rule:
-even=even
-odd=odd.

Notice that this definition covers all the integers except for zero.

While this is cumbersome definition, it is likely the definition people acquire intuitively while growing up, which is why people are often confused about 0's parity.

e said...

trs: Yes i do. Are you surprised?

Crawling Axe said...

Different conversation:
1010 BCE: “Zero.”
1010 CE: “Is zero even a number?”
2010 CE: “Iz zero an even number?”

The Real Shliach said...

Wait, so you think it's even but you're trying to prove that it's not?

After writing that sentence I suddenly felt very religious- "Once you have a sliver of proof for your beliefs, why research more?"

Crawling Axe said...

No, just smart.

If smart = brainwashed. What do Loch Ness Monster, evolution, global warming and fish being bad for pregnant women have in common?

e said...

trs: the simple understand is that 0 is even. for fun I tried finding instances in which this would not be true.

The Real Shliach said...

CA: A. Cute

B. Common symptoms of mercury poisoning include peripheral neuropathy (presenting as paresthesia or itching, burning or pain), skin discoloration (pink cheeks, fingertips and toes), edema (swelling), and desquamation (dead skin peels off in layers).

Because mercury blocks the degradation pathway of catecholamines, epinephrine excess causes hyperhidrosis (profuse sweating), tachycardia (persistently faster-than-normal heart beat), mercurial ptyalism (hypersalivation) and hypertension (high blood pressure). Mercury is thought to inactivate S-adenosyl-methionine, which is necessary for catecholamine catabolism by catechol-o-methyl transferase.

Affected children may show red cheeks and nose, erythematous lips (red lips), loss of hair, teeth, and nails, transient rashes, hypotonia (muscle weakness), and photophobia. Other symptoms may include kidney disfunction (e.g. Fanconi syndrome) or neuropsychiatric symptoms (emotional lability, memory impairment, insomnia).

Thus, the clinical presentation may resemble pheochromocytoma or Kawasaki disease.

An example of desquamation of the hand of a child with severe mercury poisoning acquired by handling elemental mercury is this photograph in Horowitz, et al. (2002).

The Real Shliach said...

e: Ahh. And what's your finding?

e said...

my findings are above. If i find anything else, I'll let you know.

Crawling Axe said...

B. The same way that astrology did not apply to Avraham Avinu, chochmas chitzoinius does not apply to Yiddishe kinderlach. If the Eibeshter will so, they will be healthy. If not, chv"sh, then not.

As I said, my mother ate lots of fish during her pregnancy. I was completely fine.

I think the point is not to eat the species that have tons of mercury in them, like tuna. And not eat only tuna.

Crawling Axe said...

Also, the number of prime numbers is infinite.

And for every number a, there are two prime numbers m and n, such that m − n = a.

The Real Shliach said...

e: Excellent.

CA: V'nishmarten m'of es nafshosechem.

Right, tuna is the main offender.

And therefore?

e said...

This doesn't-apply-to-yiddisheh-kinderlach is bullshit. Can jewish pregnant women drink alcohol because if god wants they're children will be healthy anyways?

What relevance do prime numbers have to this discussion?

The Real Shliach said...

e: Agreed.

Ask CA.

Crawling Axe said...

V'nishmarten m'of es nafshosechem.

This oft-quoted phrase is taken out context. Just like “the man is a tree”.

The Real Shliach said...

Man is a tree, as explained by Chassidus, is the exact opposite of what the Passuk means. Be that as it may, how would you say that "And you shall scrupulously guard your lives" is not applicable in this situation?

Crawling Axe said...

As you saying that Chassidus explains that trees are takeh like people and indeed are capable of attacking them and therefore should be destroyed? Are you sure it's Chassidus and not Two Towers.

"And you shall scrupulously guard your lives" ..."lest you forget the things that your eyes have seen", if I am not mistaken. The posuk is not talking about health (unless it's advising against getting Alzheimer's). It's talking about not forgetting Mattan Torah. If anything, reliance on modern medicine and science instead of Hashem (for instance, for such preposterous things as immunization shots, etc.) is actually against that principle.

e, a woman should not drink alcohol under any circumstances.

The Real Shliach said...

The passuk says that trees are not men, and therefore you shouldn't wipe them out.

Chassidus explains that man is like a tree, for various reasons.
--
Shivim panim l'Torah. 'nuff said.
--
What do you mean? She has the same biblical responsibility to make/hear kiddush as a man.

Crawling Axe said...

Let her make kiddush on grape juice.

The Real Shliach said...

I'll take it that you concede on the other points.

Crawling Axe said...

Not at all. When Yoshkaites quote some posuk from Tehillim or Neviim, we constantly tell them: look in the context. It's not talking about your false prophet, it's talking about blueberry jam!

But when we want to, we can do the same thing...

The Real Shliach said...

The difference is, ours is based on solid shtuff.

Crawling Axe said...

What proof is there it's not Chinese whispers?

Crawling Axe said...

We were discussing today the seeming correlation between one's fundamentalism and lack of social skills. My rabbi used two rabbis as an example (both of them people I held highly in the past). I used myself.

e said...

TRS: oral tradition=solid stuff? (snort)

CA: The talmud says that wine in moderation is good for a woman.

e said...

trs: the math-god, obviously. He's the only one worth worshipping.

CA: and if you weren't engaged you'd drive in MA? i'm very touched.

Crawling Axe said...

We do not rely anymore on the medical advice of Talmud.

Crawling Axe said...

I am not engaged yet. Just preoccupied.

I love moving that much.

The Real Shliach said...

CA: You're social skills are fine. Besides, many fundies are also great at getting others to join the cause, and many of them have terrific personalities for this sort of seduction.

e: Well, in this context, (some of) the oral tradition is solid evidence.

Crawling Axe said...

Did that just go in the wrong post? Just as well, I guess...

e said...

A Tanna taught: One cup is becoming to a woman; two are degrading. [and if she has] three she solicits publicly. [but if she has] four she solicits even an ass in the street and cares not.

http://www.come-and-hear.com/kethuboth/kethuboth_65.html

e said...

I don't think that line in the gemara is medical advice.

Crawling Axe said...

That advice is based on Gemara's estimate of how the female brain works. But we know that bodies changed since those times (which is why we don't follow the medical advice). For instance, I have never seen a woman trying to solicit an ass publicly after four cups of wine.

sarabonne said...

What if one prefers beer over wine?

The Real Shliach said...

CA: You've only seen women drinking the pathetic excuse we have for diluted grape juice, not the "wine" of the talmudic era.

Sara: What, want to know your limit?

Crawling Axe said...

TRS: both people that my rabbis was talking about are excellent speakers but poor on personal communication level. The same can be said about me.

e said...

ca: it's talmudic hyperbole.

sarabonne said...

I wonder if cups of wine can be substituted with beer.

Crawling Axe said...

e: are you saying "four cups" is exaggerated? They must have been drinking some hard liquor in those days...

The Real Shliach said...

CA: And snake oil salesman (i.e. Aish or Ohr Sameach)?

Sara: Depends what kind of which.

e said...

CA: I meant that the "asking an ass" was hyperbole.

TRS: "depends which" is what rabbis say when they don't know the answer.

The Real Shliach said...

That's because it would be very difficult to know the answer without ascertaining the types of beer and wine being compared. Like a good rabbi, I'm merely trying to get my facts straight.

sarabonne said...

I suppose the solution would be to compare the alcohol content of biblical wine vs. modern beer.

The Real Shliach said...

Modern beer has no uniform standard for alcohol content.

Crawling Axe said...

I heard from a French person today that he doesn't like wine. I was shocked. Maybe because he is the kind of French person who doesn't wear pointy shoes.

Cranthorpe said...

Mr. e, does the Talmud mean that giving women one cup of wine is good for them because it makes them more agreeable?

The Real Shliach said...

CA: Is he really French?

e said...

cranthorpe: i believe so.

Crawling Axe said...

Yes. He is a very nice French businessman, whose father is in a very cool profession. He is a mutual friend of my former chavrusa and me, and he can cook very good resotto, which makes him French.

We then talked about how liking good wine is pretentious and snobby. While I normally like both pretentious and snobby, not in the case of alcoholic drinks.

sarabonne said...

Here I thought men were the argumentative ones.

The Real Shliach said...

CA: You prefer Colt 45 to Sam Adams?

Sara: That's not what he meant.

Crawling Axe said...

Can't say I do.

The Real Shliach said...

So you are pretentious and snobby, even with regard to alcohol!

Crawling Axe said...

There is a difference between not driving Ferrari and preferring a Toyota to a Ford. The first one is pretentious. The second is common sense.

Btw, there was a chossid once who told me that the fact that I daven Nusach Arizal is pretentious. He told me it's only for tzaddikim.

The Real Shliach said...

http://www.toyota.com/recall/?srchid=K610_p228906387

http://www.ford.com/innovation/car-safety


A chossid of what?

Crawling Axe said...

How is that a statement about car quality?

A chossid of some rebbe. Not the Rebbe.

The Real Shliach said...

Just saying.

Ahh.

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

oy I let this thread alone to long! Who do I yell at first?