Thursday, January 28, 2010

Doves




In case you were wondering why I'm posting these, it's because I'm in a very peaceful mood.

131 comments:

Nemo said...

Those are pigeons. Not only are they gross looking, they're not nearly as delicious as dove.

Just like a guy said...

Pigeons=Doves.

Yossi said...

is the first picture of a dove, too?

Anarchist Chossid said...

The second from the bottom are ravens. And the woman is Indian angel of death.

Wanna see Nepalese angel of death? Azoy.

bonne said...

GAAAH, Pigeons!
I've had far to many bad encounters with these monsters.

In other news my roommate is rapping a song for me. She's pretty good.

Just like a guy said...

Yossi: Possibly not.

CA: Baltimore?

Those Nepalese sure do have style, eh?

Sara: These aren't pigeons, these are doves of love.

Rapping re: what?

Yossi said...

the first picture, he looks like somebody who just came out of a really really dirty mikveh, brushing his mustache

Anarchist Chossid said...

Baltimore?

Yeah. Very tznius too, despite tropical climate. I am impressed. (Of course, with her being angel and all, she probably doesn’t feel heat or humidity.)

Anarchist Chossid said...

Yossi, he just ate a dove.

As is the monk in the last picture (he is bentching).

Yossi said...

oh, no

bonne said...

My correction, it's not rap but rather old school hip-hop "No Diggity" by Blackstreet.

Just like a guy said...

Yossi: the Ganges?

CA: Poe.

Angels don't feel? Did you read our Lubawitzer friend's post?

Sara: yes, but what is it about?

Anarchist Chossid said...

Sweet Lenore?

No.

bonne said...

Oh, the usual wooing of a woman nonsense. My roommate says it's all very complex.

I assume ignorance on the matter.

Dovid said...

CA- If thats what happens to you when you eat a dove, I say we should stick with pigeons. Then again the monk didn't turn blue so maybe it's ok. But was the monk bentching on the dove or was he bentching to the dove?

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CA: Edgar Allen?

Nu?

Sara: nu, how does one woo? Inquiring minds want to know.

Dovid: is there a difference?

bonne said...

Siamese Fighting Fish.

Anarchist Chossid said...

I don't like the insensitive racial comments displayed here. So, this man's skin is blue. So, his facial hair is yellow. So, he looks like a Ukrainian flag. Judge a man not by the color of his mustache, but by the contents of his lunch.

Dovid said...

TRS- of course there is

Anarchist Chossid said...

Actually, his sclerae are red, and his cornea are black. This guy is like a palette! Now I know where Cameron got inspiration for the Avatar aliens (and Indians worship Avatars of their gods... it all fits!).

Mottel said...

Nice pics - where are they from?

Anarchist Chossid said...

http://dima-chatrov.livejournal.com

Just like a guy said...

Sara: Really? Does the wooer give them live, dead, or baked in a pie?

Dovid: Expound please.

CA: You could be on the front cover of the national enquirer this week!

Mottel: From the great source of all Russian/Ukrainian/other shtuff shtuff.

e said...

ugh. pigeons are not doves of peace, especially not in New York.

Just like a guy said...

What's with all the anti-pigeon sentiment? Are they not too creatures of G-d? Or at the very least products of the same revolution that wrought homo sapien sapiens and sliced whole wheat bread?

Anarchist Chossid said...

My grandparents’ neighbor used to breed pigeons. With Nikita Khruschev of all people.

Just like a guy said...

That's how Nikita turned out so good.

Dovid said...

Simple:
Bentch on doves means praising the Creator for the doves.
Bentch to doves means bentching the doves atzmum.

Just like a guy said...

Fair enough.

e said...

TRS: do you also love satan because he's one of god's creations?

Just like a guy said...

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Anarchist Chossid said...

TRS, are you saying you like otoh-ha-ish from Bnei Brak?

Just like a guy said...

Well, I like him the way he is now.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Which is (decomposed vs. not)?

Just like a guy said...

How could someone who had a heart of stone decompose?

Anarchist Chossid said...

Around it.

Just like a guy said...

And why would G-d's creations (maggots, worms, etc) even want to touch someone like him?

Anarchist Chossid said...

It’s actually bacteria that cause decomposition. And that’s their job — to decompose bodies full of sin. Aderabe, if there was ever a body (after Korach) that needed decomposing...

Just like a guy said...

Nu, the main point is that he's six feet under.

Yossi said...

you know the joke about the misnaged being buried in the lubavitch cemetery, about the worms, right?

Anarchist Chossid said...

No.

Yossi said...

http://abochurinlubavitch.blogspot.com/2009/09/political-joke.html

Just like a guy said...

Now we know.

Anarchist Chossid said...

My vegetarian friend didn’t like the joke.

Just like a guy said...

She got it?

Anarchist Chossid said...

Why do you assume it’s she?

Just like a guy said...

Because last time you talked of a vegetarian friend it was.

Anarchist Chossid said...

I have more than one vegetarian friend.

Anarchist Chossid said...

And yes, my friend got the joke. My friend has been to an institution of religious learning in CH.

Just like a guy said...

You hang out with a strange crowd.

So why didn't he like it?

Anarchist Chossid said...

Are you saying vegetarians are strange?

Why do you think it’s a he?

I think my friend is just sensitive to such things. Maybe because the joke makes fun of Satmars. Or because my friend doesn’t like the machloikes.

OK, I just gave away that it’s a girl, didn’t I? Any normal guy likes machloikes.

Just like a guy said...

Yes.

Correct.

Anarchist Chossid said...

I agree.

Oh well.

Just like a guy said...

Yup.

Dovid said...

Maybe your friend doesn't like the fact that the worms had the hava amina to eat meat. Even though they decided not to eat beceause its satmar, she was perturbed by the notion that they would even think to eat a non-vegitarian course.

e said...

if a vegetarian is disturbed when animals eat meat, then said vegetarian will have lots of unavoidable disturbances is his or her life.

Just like a guy said...

Yup, it's tough being a vegetarian.

e said...

unless you're a vegetarian who understands that it's a dog-eat-dog world.

e said...

or maggot-eat-flesh or lion-eat-zebra or whatever.

Just like a guy said...

Who knows? Perhaps vegetarians approve of animals eating each other?

e said...

which is contrary to Dovid's hypothesis

Just like a guy said...

Nu, perhaps you'll play the devil's advocate?

Anarchist Chossid said...

My friend disapproves of people eating animals because people have a choice. Hurricanes kill people too, but we don’t blame them, because they are a force of nature. Doesn’t mean it’s ok to kill people.

I think the logic makes some sense. The obvious flaw is that a) there is nothing wrong with killing animals for any reason, b) it is actually wrong to think that eating meat is immoral, because you’re saying that Torah is immoral.

Anarchist Chossid said...
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Just like a guy said...

And of course, it's impossible to say that the Torah is immoral because the Torah makes morality!

o is as even as anything.

Anarchist Chossid said...

If Torah made morality, you could say that Torah is immoral. Or amoral. Or something. Morality doesn’t apply to it. Which would be just as well.

But Torah doesn’t make morality. It is morality.

Just like a guy said...

OK, that's what I meant.

Anarchist Chossid said...

So, if a pregnant woman doesn’t eat fish, does this make her inverse-pescetarian?

Just like a guy said...

No, just smart.

e said...

I thought of a statement which applies to all even numbers but not to zero: Any even number raised to a negative power will contain a factor of one half. But this is a silly, contrived example.

Just like a guy said...

This is a time when in conversation one would say, sarcastically, "Yasher Koach!"

e said...

just trying to think of how 0 could not be even.

Just like a guy said...

Oh. Do you think it's even?

e said...

Here's another way 0 could not be even.

Define "even" and "odd" as follows: As you go through the counting numbers, designate alternating numbers as even and odd. The first counting number is odd. To determine the parity of a negative number, apply the following rule:
-even=even
-odd=odd.

Notice that this definition covers all the integers except for zero.

While this is cumbersome definition, it is likely the definition people acquire intuitively while growing up, which is why people are often confused about 0's parity.

e said...

trs: Yes i do. Are you surprised?

Anarchist Chossid said...

Different conversation:
1010 BCE: “Zero.”
1010 CE: “Is zero even a number?”
2010 CE: “Iz zero an even number?”

Just like a guy said...

Wait, so you think it's even but you're trying to prove that it's not?

After writing that sentence I suddenly felt very religious- "Once you have a sliver of proof for your beliefs, why research more?"

Anarchist Chossid said...

No, just smart.

If smart = brainwashed. What do Loch Ness Monster, evolution, global warming and fish being bad for pregnant women have in common?

e said...

trs: the simple understand is that 0 is even. for fun I tried finding instances in which this would not be true.

Just like a guy said...

CA: A. Cute

B. Common symptoms of mercury poisoning include peripheral neuropathy (presenting as paresthesia or itching, burning or pain), skin discoloration (pink cheeks, fingertips and toes), edema (swelling), and desquamation (dead skin peels off in layers).

Because mercury blocks the degradation pathway of catecholamines, epinephrine excess causes hyperhidrosis (profuse sweating), tachycardia (persistently faster-than-normal heart beat), mercurial ptyalism (hypersalivation) and hypertension (high blood pressure). Mercury is thought to inactivate S-adenosyl-methionine, which is necessary for catecholamine catabolism by catechol-o-methyl transferase.

Affected children may show red cheeks and nose, erythematous lips (red lips), loss of hair, teeth, and nails, transient rashes, hypotonia (muscle weakness), and photophobia. Other symptoms may include kidney disfunction (e.g. Fanconi syndrome) or neuropsychiatric symptoms (emotional lability, memory impairment, insomnia).

Thus, the clinical presentation may resemble pheochromocytoma or Kawasaki disease.

An example of desquamation of the hand of a child with severe mercury poisoning acquired by handling elemental mercury is this photograph in Horowitz, et al. (2002).

Just like a guy said...

e: Ahh. And what's your finding?

e said...

my findings are above. If i find anything else, I'll let you know.

Anarchist Chossid said...

B. The same way that astrology did not apply to Avraham Avinu, chochmas chitzoinius does not apply to Yiddishe kinderlach. If the Eibeshter will so, they will be healthy. If not, chv"sh, then not.

As I said, my mother ate lots of fish during her pregnancy. I was completely fine.

I think the point is not to eat the species that have tons of mercury in them, like tuna. And not eat only tuna.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Also, the number of prime numbers is infinite.

And for every number a, there are two prime numbers m and n, such that m − n = a.

Just like a guy said...

e: Excellent.

CA: V'nishmarten m'of es nafshosechem.

Right, tuna is the main offender.

And therefore?

e said...

This doesn't-apply-to-yiddisheh-kinderlach is bullshit. Can jewish pregnant women drink alcohol because if god wants they're children will be healthy anyways?

What relevance do prime numbers have to this discussion?

Just like a guy said...

e: Agreed.

Ask CA.

Anarchist Chossid said...

V'nishmarten m'of es nafshosechem.

This oft-quoted phrase is taken out context. Just like “the man is a tree”.

Just like a guy said...

Man is a tree, as explained by Chassidus, is the exact opposite of what the Passuk means. Be that as it may, how would you say that "And you shall scrupulously guard your lives" is not applicable in this situation?

Anarchist Chossid said...

As you saying that Chassidus explains that trees are takeh like people and indeed are capable of attacking them and therefore should be destroyed? Are you sure it's Chassidus and not Two Towers.

"And you shall scrupulously guard your lives" ..."lest you forget the things that your eyes have seen", if I am not mistaken. The posuk is not talking about health (unless it's advising against getting Alzheimer's). It's talking about not forgetting Mattan Torah. If anything, reliance on modern medicine and science instead of Hashem (for instance, for such preposterous things as immunization shots, etc.) is actually against that principle.

e, a woman should not drink alcohol under any circumstances.

Just like a guy said...

The passuk says that trees are not men, and therefore you shouldn't wipe them out.

Chassidus explains that man is like a tree, for various reasons.
--
Shivim panim l'Torah. 'nuff said.
--
What do you mean? She has the same biblical responsibility to make/hear kiddush as a man.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Let her make kiddush on grape juice.

Just like a guy said...

I'll take it that you concede on the other points.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Not at all. When Yoshkaites quote some posuk from Tehillim or Neviim, we constantly tell them: look in the context. It's not talking about your false prophet, it's talking about blueberry jam!

But when we want to, we can do the same thing...

Just like a guy said...

The difference is, ours is based on solid shtuff.

Anarchist Chossid said...

What proof is there it's not Chinese whispers?

Anarchist Chossid said...

We were discussing today the seeming correlation between one's fundamentalism and lack of social skills. My rabbi used two rabbis as an example (both of them people I held highly in the past). I used myself.

e said...

TRS: oral tradition=solid stuff? (snort)

CA: The talmud says that wine in moderation is good for a woman.

e said...

trs: the math-god, obviously. He's the only one worth worshipping.

CA: and if you weren't engaged you'd drive in MA? i'm very touched.

Anarchist Chossid said...

We do not rely anymore on the medical advice of Talmud.

Anarchist Chossid said...

I am not engaged yet. Just preoccupied.

I love moving that much.

Just like a guy said...

CA: You're social skills are fine. Besides, many fundies are also great at getting others to join the cause, and many of them have terrific personalities for this sort of seduction.

e: Well, in this context, (some of) the oral tradition is solid evidence.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Did that just go in the wrong post? Just as well, I guess...

e said...

A Tanna taught: One cup is becoming to a woman; two are degrading. [and if she has] three she solicits publicly. [but if she has] four she solicits even an ass in the street and cares not.

http://www.come-and-hear.com/kethuboth/kethuboth_65.html

e said...

I don't think that line in the gemara is medical advice.

Anarchist Chossid said...

That advice is based on Gemara's estimate of how the female brain works. But we know that bodies changed since those times (which is why we don't follow the medical advice). For instance, I have never seen a woman trying to solicit an ass publicly after four cups of wine.

bonne said...

What if one prefers beer over wine?

Just like a guy said...

CA: You've only seen women drinking the pathetic excuse we have for diluted grape juice, not the "wine" of the talmudic era.

Sara: What, want to know your limit?

Anarchist Chossid said...

TRS: both people that my rabbis was talking about are excellent speakers but poor on personal communication level. The same can be said about me.

e said...

ca: it's talmudic hyperbole.

bonne said...

I wonder if cups of wine can be substituted with beer.

Anarchist Chossid said...

e: are you saying "four cups" is exaggerated? They must have been drinking some hard liquor in those days...

Just like a guy said...

CA: And snake oil salesman (i.e. Aish or Ohr Sameach)?

Sara: Depends what kind of which.

e said...

CA: I meant that the "asking an ass" was hyperbole.

TRS: "depends which" is what rabbis say when they don't know the answer.

Just like a guy said...

That's because it would be very difficult to know the answer without ascertaining the types of beer and wine being compared. Like a good rabbi, I'm merely trying to get my facts straight.

bonne said...

I suppose the solution would be to compare the alcohol content of biblical wine vs. modern beer.

Just like a guy said...

Modern beer has no uniform standard for alcohol content.

Anarchist Chossid said...

I heard from a French person today that he doesn't like wine. I was shocked. Maybe because he is the kind of French person who doesn't wear pointy shoes.

Cranthorpe said...

Mr. e, does the Talmud mean that giving women one cup of wine is good for them because it makes them more agreeable?

Just like a guy said...

CA: Is he really French?

e said...

cranthorpe: i believe so.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Yes. He is a very nice French businessman, whose father is in a very cool profession. He is a mutual friend of my former chavrusa and me, and he can cook very good resotto, which makes him French.

We then talked about how liking good wine is pretentious and snobby. While I normally like both pretentious and snobby, not in the case of alcoholic drinks.

bonne said...

Here I thought men were the argumentative ones.

Just like a guy said...

CA: You prefer Colt 45 to Sam Adams?

Sara: That's not what he meant.

Anarchist Chossid said...

Can't say I do.

Just like a guy said...

So you are pretentious and snobby, even with regard to alcohol!

Anarchist Chossid said...

There is a difference between not driving Ferrari and preferring a Toyota to a Ford. The first one is pretentious. The second is common sense.

Btw, there was a chossid once who told me that the fact that I daven Nusach Arizal is pretentious. He told me it's only for tzaddikim.

Just like a guy said...

http://www.toyota.com/recall/?srchid=K610_p228906387

http://www.ford.com/innovation/car-safety


A chossid of what?

Anarchist Chossid said...

How is that a statement about car quality?

A chossid of some rebbe. Not the Rebbe.

Just like a guy said...

Just saying.

Ahh.

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

oy I let this thread alone to long! Who do I yell at first?