How long?! How long?! Ad mosai, till when?!
How long?! How long?! Ad mosai, till when?!
When all the hearts are broken
How can You shatter a dream?
When all the world is trembling
How can You shake anything?
When all the songs have ended
Only Your song will sing better
You're the only who can put a broken heart back together
Courtesy of 8th Day/Jewish Music Lyrics
Yup. Gimmel Tammuz. 15 years. Everyone on the blogosphere is writing about it tonight. But what is there to say? The wound is still raw. Even worse, for many people, it's starting to close. What do you say at a time like this? I don't know. I wish I did.
Nu G-d, we're waiting.
Thursday, June 25, 2009
Hurting
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You move on and heed the words of Shmuley Boteach. http://www.shmuley.com/articles/details/the_seven_challenges_of_chabads_future/
You go and give a pahn. I'm a young guy so I boruch Hashem can't speak about loss from experience, but I think the best thing is to accept that his status moved from manhig to melitz yosher.
modeh: heavy kefirah you're saying.
nemo: you're probably are also saying heavy kefirah, but I haven't bothered to check out the link.
The link isn't kefirah unless taken together with my exhortation to move on.
BTW, it's nice to have you back on TRS.
e-I jumped to conclusions when I saw that it was a Boteach link, but I did check it out and he has some valid arguments.
C: They do. I just never bothered installing it.
Nemo: Haven't we argued this before?
Modeh: Sorry honey, not happening in Lubavitch.
e: Yes, it is nice to have him back.
Do NOT try to argue what's kfira with me.
You talking to me?
What makes me back? What happens if I take another commenting hiatus?
BTW, I do stop by pretty often, even if I don't always comment.
I love it when you try to say something nice...
Modeh: I meant kefirah in the tenets of Lubavitch faith, not in the tenets of mainstream judaism.
I liked number five: Teach Chabad Rabbis and Shluchim that public oratory is not just a regurgitation of a Sicha.
Wound closing. Ouch.
I meant kefirah in the tenets of Lubavitch faith, not in the tenets of mainstream judaism.
Is “mainstream judaism” going to bring Mashiach? Nope.
TRS: to e
e: Telling me that I am a kofer to a movement of which I am not a part is kind of like telling me that I am a usurer if I lend money on 0% interest.
CA:Yes. Hayom rak im b'koli tishma'u
And here I was educated to believe the whole world is Lubavitch.
Modeh: Ahh.
Nemo: They are. They just don't know it yet.
That's what he said (he being Innocent III)
well said.
sorry im late.
my gimel tamuz was confusing, to say the least. i wait for the day when itll all become clear, but somehow i doubt that day is in my near future.
אני מאמין באמונה שלימה בביאת המשיח בכל יום שיבוא ואף אל פי שיתממא אם כל זה אחכה לו
easy to say...
TRS: show off.
Altie: hey, I have to tell this to myself too.
CA: hey! It was a lot of work typing that out on an iPod.
ya but thats like saying, oh comon, its really not that bad at all...dont worry, i also think its really bad, but im trying to convince both of us...ha. nice try
Well, e for effort then.
ya u do try. sometimes u try too hard...
My teacher always told me there's no such thing as trying too hard. "Give it 110%," he'd say, "leave it all out on the field!"
ok that explains your code of conduct. i like the attitude
yeah, post-Gimmel Tammuz life sucks. Plain and simple.
Here's what bothered me, back in the day: Usually when things go wrong, you try to make yourself get over it. But if you "get over" Gimmel tammuz, then you ersht need to start crying...
@trs #hebrew typing: nice!
Altie: I try.
e: good point.
I try.
e, wuts wrong with crying?
It's just not fun. and perhaps it's not psychologically healthy in the long run.
It's just not fun. and perhaps it's not psychologically healthy in the long run.
fun, no. healthy? ya. its a relief. an outlet.
crying is a healthy way to deal with grief. but constant grief isn't healthy.
so why should it be a constant thing? u cry, u feel better, u move on.
e has left a new comment on your post "Hurting":
yeah, post-Gimmel Tammuz life sucks. Plain and simple.
Here's what bothered me, back in the day: Usually when things go wrong, you try to make yourself get over it. But if you "get over" Gimmel tammuz, then you ersht need to start crying...
@trs #hebrew typing: nice!
Posted by e to The Real Shliach at July 1, 2009 1:33 PM
if that was supposed to be an answer, i dont get it. thanks anyway
Altie: "so why should it be a constant thing? u cry, u feel better, u move on."
e: "Here's what bothered me, back in the day: Usually when things go wrong, you try to make yourself get over it. But if you "get over" Gimmel tammuz, then you ersht need to start crying..."
TRS: get it?
so wut is he saying? that gimel tamuz is not something u can just 'get over'?
That would appear to be the case.
cry forever or dont cry at all? neither works very well.
either way, let e explain.
trs: thanks for stepping in for me.
In Lubavitch there's this pressure to never stop mourning. Look at the earlier comments. If you move on, you're a kofer.
im guessing that was meant in a sarcastic tone of voice.
i'll say like this: there is no 'moving on'. think abt it. where r we supposed to move to? for years and years, all we've been hearing is, we are dor hashvii, 7th generation, we need to polish our buttons, the buttons are already polished, all we are waiting for is moshiach, we've done all we can, etc etc etc. i dont know why moshiach isnt here. YOU dont know why moshiach isnt here. none of us know. there are no answers. we are still waiting, just like we've been waiting for 5769 years.
but if u wait and wait and wait, and he still doesnt come, does that mean its ok to move on? i once heard someone say, the 7th generation is over, now we are in the 8th generation, and we should pick a new rebbe. this guy was not lubavitch, i dont think a lubav would say something like that.
but no, it is not up to us to say that the 7th generation is over. maybe its just a looooooong generation. either way, i believe the rebbe is still here, spiritually, in whatever way, but no, he never really left.
so in that case, how can WE leave? how can we move on? it is not possible.
whatever gimel tamuz meant to u, however u were effected by it, u deal with it, u learn to cope with the here and now. but no, u cant move on, cuz moving on would mean moshiavch is here, and i dont see him, and he doesnt seem to be here.
are u a kofer if u 'move on'? i wouldnt go so far as to say that. i would say, that if u feel the NEED to move on, its cuz u cant deal with the reality. cuz realistically, where would u move on to? there is no where to go right now.
e. is such an undercover chossid.
Altie-There comes a point where one just admits defeat. When one realizes that he may never truly be able to put all the hergashim, feelings, and ideas into coherent sentences. However, this does not mean that we don't know wht our job is. It's simple-we must make this world a better place by being the best we can be. We need to make this world a place the Rebbe will be proud of, and a home in which HAshem will be comfortable.
Beyond that, there are thoughts, reasons, opinions... but do they really matter?
e, does it bother you that we haven’t gotten over the Beis HaMikdosh? All the mourning, all the tears.
Isn’t that the whole point of the Rebbe’s campaing — not to get over? One can get over a loss (chvs"sh) of a loved one, and that’s a normal and a healthy thing to do. But to get over the fact that we are in golus — still in golus (which is what the depressing aspect of gimmel tamuz signifies to me) — is not too healthy for a Jew but rather is indicative or doubled darkness.
No?
CA:Yes. Hayom rak im b'koli tishma'u
1) If one person did real teshuva...
2) So, nu?
3) Soldiers vs. officers.
c- its not simple, but put it that way, it seems so.
altie: you're right. That's what a chassid needs to feel. That's why being a chassid is so exhausting.
C: you're talking about what we need to do, but you're not addressing the whole feelings issue.
CA: there is a difference between the loss of the beis hamikdash and 3 tammuz and there's also no difference. vd"l.
CA: If a guy says, "I have no ahavah and yirah," they tell him, "nu. so try to develop some."
If a guy says, "The Rebbe means nothing to me," people will go beserk.
When a student tells me, “I am having trouble with the class, because I don’t understand this or that”, I tell him: “Let me help you”. But if a student tells me: “I am having trouble with the class, because I don’t care about action potentials and don’t even want to care”, then there is nothing I can do. And it is annoying.
Saying “I know it doesn’t make sense, but I believe in it” to me is as annoying as saying “I just don’t believe in it”. Both statements are brainless.
v'hanimshal....
CA- its annoying because u cant help them, because they dont want to help themselves, and u feel powerless.
e- is that why u stopped trying?
among other reasons.
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