Sunday, August 9, 2009

Hot gartel, eh?

92 comments:

e said...

What an absolutely horrible video. Why haven't you responded to comments on yesterday's posts yet?

Mottel said...

Kraus frankly, is screwed. The less attention we give to this disturbed man . . . the better.
He's bounced around from one camp to the next, and until he get's treatment, our greatest mazal will be for him to leave.
See comments here for more details.

le7 said...

He scheduled the post and hasn't been online.

e said...

a devoted blogger you are marrying.

le7 said...

OK why isn't anyone tznius? What the heck is going on here?

le7 said...

Ahhhh I am having serious Tzfat flashbacks... I can't handle it. I'm going to have nightmares tonight.

Menashe said...

It doesn't bother you that he just made "kiddush" on 17 tammuz? It's the erva that's what sticks out to you in that video?

Mottel said...

-LE7: Read the comments of that article I linked to.
-Menashe: it could be she didn't chap the date.

le7 said...

Menashe - I didn't watch the whole video before posting that comment. I just finished right now.

Menashe said...

An emise chosid shote. Literally the yetzer hara in a kapota hat and gartel.

le7 said...

Really disturbing. What is going on here exactly though? Where are they? Who are these people? I read the comments in the article but they weren't that revealing (at least the ones I understood).

Menashe said...

If you're not convinced this guy's missing a bunch of brain cells watch as he puts tefillin on a 5 year old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCvpEyIqJVI

Nemo said...

Why are there turds on the table?

Nemo said...

Why didn't he cover the challah?

Nemo said...

This one is giving me great kavana for davening maariv.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS0j6crfqNc

Qtap said...

I just want to know why.

sarabonne said...

I've heard rumors of such folk. First time I've seen a video of it.

FSk said...

those rumors started about 250 years ago. Now thanks to this guy, they're true!

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

I've heard about such people too. An emese chosid shoteh is right.

Nemo said...

I wonder if there's any truth to those comments that Mottel linked to about him inviting all the women to join him in the pool because all laws of tznius and nidah and tznius have been abrogated by yemos hamashiach. Better yet, I want to see the videos ...

le7 said...

I just realized you have to click on the comment to read it.

Nemo said...

Meaning, I wonder if he actually wrote this comment responding to "Ruti Schwartz" who alleges that he invited her into a pool with him in order to liberate her and open her to God:

# תגובה לרותי, ולכל צוות דתילי הנפלא
יואל (05/08/2009)
רותי היקרה, היה לנו כיף איתך, את מוזמנת לבוא שוב. אבל נדמה לי שלא את זו שכותבת כאן, כי איתך אני מתכתב במייל, אז למה את מגיבה כאן נגדי? אגב, גם התגובה הקודמת שהיתה כאן בשמי היא לא שלי. יש כאן דיסאינפורמציה מוחלטת מצד אנשים שלא יכולים לעכל את האור שאני לבדי זכיתי לחוות. אני כבר בדין ודברים עם המשטרה שתטפל בכל האנשים האלה שכותבים בשמי דברים. אני עומד על כך שהמשטרה בישראל לא מענישה מספיק וביד קשה אנשים ארורים מהסוג הזה. אני כבר בקשר אינסטנטיבי עם כמה חברי כנסת כדי להחיל חוק בממשלה שחייבם לתת עונש מאסר לכל מי שכותב נגדי דברים באינטרנט. לגופו של ענין: אני לא אמרתי לך להכנס רק איתי לבריכה אלא ביחד עם שלומציון, מירב, נולי ואיתי וזה כבר משהו אחר. אני לא ניסיתי לשכנע אותך לילה שלם אלא רק הסברתי לך את שיטתי החדשה שכיום כבר אין דברים אסורים וכל דיני צניעות ונידה, כי כיום הכל כבר אחרת ממה שהיה פעם. העולם כולו מואר לגמרי. כל בני אדם וחווה כבר מוכשרים להפנמת האור הטוב שאלוהים נתן באדם הראשון ולכן אין הבדל בין דתות, בין יהודים לגויים וכד'. זה הכל חשיבה שהיתה נכונה בשעתה. לא כיום. ולכן גם דיני צניעות וכל דיני כשרות התבטלו מאז. לגבי הכסף אני לא רוצה לדון בפורום כזה, אבל את מבינה שאנו זקוקים לכסף ולכן אנו מזמינים לביתינו אנשים כדי להרוויח כסף ולהמשיך לגלות את האור. אנחנו חיים מהכסף הזה, הולכים איתו לפאבים ולמועדוני לילה לחבר בין כל בני אדם וחווה. אבל זה לא למטרות רווח רגילות. את רוב הכסף אנו בין כך מקבלים ממליארדר יפני שרואה בפעילות שלנו תיקון עולם ללא קשר לדת וגזע. אני אמרתי לך שאם היית חיה לפי המנהגים שלנו ולא עושה הבדלים בין גברים לנשים ולעשות הכל ביחד וללא כל מחיצות, אז לא היית צריכה לשלם, אלא היינו מסתפקים בכך שתטפלי לנו בילדים ותנקי את הבית לפי תורנות, כי אנו משפחה אחת שחיה ועושה הכל ביחד. את עדיין חסומה ממה שהכניסו לך בראש קודם לכן, את צריכה להיפתח לגמרי והביגוד המיותר והאיסורים מכבידים עלינו מאד. אני פונה כאן לכל הגולשים: תנו לאור להגיע אליכם. הפסיקו לפתח חסימות. הביגוד והעיסוק באיסורים הוא החסימה הכי גדולה, תפתחו לטוב, תפתחו באהבה אחד לשני ללא הבדל למי ומתי ואיך. כל העולם מלא באהבה, צריך רק להפנים אותה אלינו (אמר את זה הנביא אושו). רק אהבה! רק חשיפה! רק שמחה! רק חופשיות! באהבה יואל בן פערל של כולכם אגב, אני יודע שהמימסד הרבני לא סובל אותי. אני מודע לזה, אבל אני ממשיך להביע את כל דעותיי באורח של קבע באתר שלי אני מפרסם את כל מה שכתבתי כאן. כל מה שכתבתי כאן לקחתי ממה שפירסמתי שם. יש לי מטרה לפרסם את דעותיי כי אני רואה זאת כמהפיכה היסטורית שלא היתה עוד מחטא עץ הדעת. אני זה שהגורל הטיל עליו את התפקיד הכי חשוב באנושות להביא את האור כי טוב.

Lady-Light said...

Forget about kiddush--you say boreh pri ha-gafen every time you drink wine; but I sure didn't know you could say shehecheyanu for shiv'ah asar be-Tammuz.

Nemo said...

As I recall, you may not say Shehechyanu during the Three Weeks. But then, all the rules have changed ....

The Real Shliach said...

Nice video, eh?

Menashe said...

No. Thank G-d this moron has no following.

Nemo said...

For those that can benefit from a translation of Kraus' supposed letter, I got bored. Bear in mind that it is unclear whether he actually wrote this.

Dear Ruti,

We had fun with you and you are invited to come again. However, I imagine that you aren’t the one who wrote here because I correspond with you by email – then why would you reply here against me?

Incidentally, even the previous comment here in my name was not mine. There is a complete “disinformation” here by people who cannot digest the light that I alone merited to enjoy. I’m already dealing with and speaking to the police to deal with these people who are writing words in my name. I’m standing (?) on this that the police in Israel do not punish enough and with a strong hand the cursed men of this type. I am already in incentive (?) talks with many members of the Knesset in order to enact laws that the government has to mete incarceration punishment on anyone who writes things against me on the internet.

To the matter at hand: I didn’t tell you to enter the pool with me alone, but also [to enter with] with Shlomtzion, Meirav, Nuli and me, and this is already something else. I didn’t try to persuade you for an entire night, rather I only explained to you my new view that today there are no longer any forbidden things and all the laws of tznius and nida – because today everything is different from what it once was. The entire world is lit up. All children of Adam and Eve are already prepared for the internalization of the good light that God gave Adam Harishon and therefore there is no difference between religions - between Jews and gentiles, etc. This was all a concept that was correct in its time. But not today. Therefore, all the laws of tznius and kosher are canceled from then.

Regarding the money, I don’t want to deal with it in this forum, but you understand that we require money and therefore we invite people to our house in order to profit and continue to reveal the light. We live with this money, go with it to pubs and night clubs to befriend all the children of Adam and Eve. But this is not with the goal of regular profits. Most of the money we receive from a Japanese millionaire that sees our activities a Tikun Olam without regards to religion or race. I told you that if you would live according to our customs and not make differentiations between men and women, to do everything together and without and Mechitzos, then you would not need to pay. Rather we would be satisfied that you would take care of the children for us and clean the house by (?), because we are one family that lives and does everything together. You are already blocked by what has entered your head before this. You have to open yourself up entirely – extra clothing and prohibitions weigh heavily on us.

I turn here to all the web-surfers: allow the light to reach yourselves. Stop developing blockages. Dressing and dealing with forbidden things are the greatest blockages. Develop for the good, develop love of one another without differentiating who when and where. The world is full of love, you just have to turn it to us (the prophet Ushu said this). Only love. Only exposure. Just happiness. Just liberation.

With love,

Yoel ben Perel

Incidentally, I know that the rabbinical establishment cannot stand me. I acknowledge this, but I continue to express my views in a permanent fashion. On my website I publicize all that I wrote here. All that I wrote here I took from what I publicize there. I have the goal of publicizing all of my views because I see this as a historical revolution which hasn’t occurred since the sin of the Tree of Knowledge. I am the one upon whom the lottery fell with the most important human task to bring the light that is good.

Anonymous said...

Is it really appropriate to post a blog entry about someone with such serious problems? It is unkind to publicize other people's embarrassing imperfections when it is not necessary to do so.

Nemo said...

It would be unkind if this person wasn't already posting videos of himself.

The Real Shliach said...

Menashe: Well, each to their own.

Nemo: I don't believe he would actually write this. But who knows?

Anon: I was merely highlighting this person's excellent clothing choices.

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

All together now:
יחי אדוננו המלך שבתי צבי צור ישראל וגואלו

ברוך אתה ה אלוקינו מלך העולם מתיר איסורים

Anyone know any other famous Sabbatian lines?

Sebastion said...

There is a guy in nashville who looks kind of like a belzer and wears a white gartel. Not crazy like that though.

Menashe said...

No, not to each their own! This is NOT ok. It has to be completely rejected for the kefira that it is. It is not just his own mishigas unless he gets roundly rejected by the entire jewish world.

I have problems with mishichisten. I have bigger problems with tzfatim. But that's all stuff I am reluctantly willing to overlook. This is unacceptable.

The Real Shliach said...

Sebastion: Crazy? This guy lives in a gorgeous house in Ibiza! He can't be that crazy...

Menashe: What makes you so certain that you're correct?

le7 said...

You know... I've always wanted to go to Spain.

Mottel said...

-TRS: Time for a reality check. It may be 'cool' and 'intellectual' to play philosophical games about what relative truth is, if we exist whatever. But when it comes to real kefira, cut the crap and call it what it is . . . pretending and playing games makes this work.

The Real Shliach said...

le7: Me too.

Mottel: Who knows? In fifty years maybe this guy won't be such a big kofer? After all, so many accepted Shabsai Tzvi...

Mottel said...

-TRS: Shabsai Tzvi was followed and today he's known to be a kofer . . . So your logic falls through.

The Real Shliach said...

Not at all. Look at another example, like chassidim. Back in the day people thought chassidim were kofrim...

Menashe said...

Are you seriously in some weird backhanded passive-agressive way defending this nut? Or comparing him to chasidim? We go linfim mishuras hadin and this guy lost sight of the line a long time ago.

The Real Shliach said...

I am, in a decidedly non weird backhanded passive-agressive way, defending this nut. And I am in fact comparing him to chassidim. Perhaps I'll explain in tonight's post.

Sebastion said...

Its ok, mottel can be in charge of the angry mob deparment and burn em at the stake for us. Death to the crazy fakers!

The Real Shliach said...

Why, what are they faking?

Mottel said...

I cry foul! TRS, this guy is in the line of shabsai tzvi and frank shr"y but not chassidim.
I'm sorry, but no matter what you say chassidim did not abrogate halacha like this sicko!
Again, pretending to philosophically argue for kefira is not cool.

Modeh B'Miktsas said...

Mottel: Izbitza. In fact knowing what I do of the Lohner rebbeschaft, I read Ibiza as Izbitza in the first time around and I thought "what? they're still around?"

The Real Shliach said...

Mottel: You say this guy doesn't keep halacha. Misnagdim said Chassidim didn't keep halacha. What's he difference?

e said...

b/c chassidim really did keep halacha, unlike this dude. please trs. that was a silly retort.

Mottel said...

TRS: B/c Misnagdishe claims were proven to be false. Even if one were to claim that certain things were indeed wrong (zman tefilah etc), they don't put one ouside the realm of Orthodoxy . . . Not keeping the ta'anasim, and noch erger - living a life of giloi ari'os is a true breach!

e said...

mottel, you brought up my pet peeve. Chassidim's disregard for zman tefillah is pretty close to kefirah. They ignore clear halacha due to completely non-halachic considerations. Sounds very similar to this nut.

C said...

TRS-You can defend his right to his own view of things, and to practice whatever "religion" he wants. BUT to say that his actions are a valid expression of Torah is completely false, as he obviously has no regard for Torah law. It's one thing to act crazy within the parameters of halacha, it's another to blatantly do away with kashrus and tznius.



There is a beautiful view from the porch!

The Real Shliach said...

e+Mottel: And if misnagdim had won the war...?

C: Whose Torah law? Read my latest post please.

And yes, he does have a gorgeous moshiach sign there.

e said...

pulleez. if misnagdim won the war, they'd SAY that chassidim sat in the pool with ladies and whatnot, but that wouldn't mean that chassidim actually did that. But this guy really does sit in the pool with ladies.

C said...

I did read it, before I saw this video. When I said Torah law, I meant what is written in Torah. I specifically did not say Orthodoxy, Chassidism or Rabbis because like you said, everyone will always have their own way to explain things. But when Torah says straight out not to cook a goat in his mother's milk and this guy says there are no more kashrus laws... well we have a problem.

Shall I continue, or do you get my drift?

The Real Shliach said...

e: Nu, I'm sure he has his reasons.

C: OK, so he says there's no more Kashrus. According to the Talmud, when Moshiach comes, there will be no more Kashrus. According to this guy, Moshiach is already here. So what's the problem?

le7 said...

Hey I thought Torah wasn't supposed to change - just the world.

The only reason pork will be kosher is because pigs will change, not the law.

C said...

He says Moshiach came in 1992 and Moshiach is the Rebbe.

Was the Rebbe no longer makpid on kashrus and tznius for the last two years of his life? Did the Rebbe tell people not to fast anymore?

His philosophy is inherently flawed.

The Real Shliach said...

Pigs will change to what?

le7 said...

Pigs will start chewing their cud.

The Real Shliach said...

C: Sorry to break it to you, but after 27 Adar...

The Real Shliach said...

le7: Where does it say this?

le7 said...

Where does it say Torah is going to change with the coming of the messiah? That sounds like some JC business.

The Real Shliach said...

That wasn't the point. The point is, where does it say that a pig will chew its cud?

le7 said...

I dunno. Go ask Rabbi Taub. I mean if we are going to be able to eat piggies because they'll be kosher... then it needs to chew its cud no?

Better yet... let's ask the rabbi! Where is e?

Qtap said...

It's a medrash.

Mottel said...

-E: Given that devning after zman tefilah/chatzos is completely asur (though if g'dolei haposkim (the chassidishe ones l'chol hapachos) were melamed zchus is another issue), one who breaks such a law may be a sinner, but is still an orthodox Jew. Sleeping with multiple Nidahs, and G-d knows what else, is not Judaism.

-TRS+LE7: It's a medrash. 'Lamah nikra shemah Chazir? Sh'asid l'hachzir etc.' or something to that extent. The Rebbe however, said very clearly that it's impossible to take it k'pshuto, and that it ultimately refers to Malchus Romi sh'nidma l'chazir.

le7 said...

But I was looking forward to bacon.

le7 said...

I didn't try it before I started keeping kosher and I think I might have missed out. That was my only consolation.

The Real Shliach said...

le7: Why? Who said that the laws of Kashrus won't change? Or won't apply?

Mottel: Who said he had relations with multiple niddahs?

le7 said...

Isn't like the Teyreh eternal or somethin'?

Mottel said...

TRS: If those comments, including his, are to be believed, then he did.

Qtap said...

In regards to davening after the zman, does not one mitzva preclude another? That is to say if the reason that one is davening after the zman is due to learning in order that they have proper kavana for their davening, then is it not okay? That is the reason the zman is disregarded, is it not? To (mis)quote my father, it's not so we can all sleep in, but so we can learn a bissle chassidus.

The Real Shliach said...

le7: 'Tis. With caveats, of course.

Mottel: I have a friend who knows him personally...from what I hear it's lav davka...

Qtap: Precisely. Hence the Rosh's famous story with the Soloveitchiks, based on the Rambam.

Qtap said...

So famous I have no idea what you're talking about.

The Real Shliach said...

Basically, the Rosh went to visit one of the Soloveitchiks who lived in Israel in the afternoon, and his wife wouldn't let the Rosh in the door. The Rosh barged in, and he was shocked to see the Rabbi davening in Tefillin! He inquired, and the Rabbi answered that he Rambam holds that if you can't daven before the zman because you are ill, or because you can't concentrate, or whatever, then you should wait until you can concentrate and then daven.

Qtap said...

Ah, thanks.

e said...

re: rosh and Selvetchik, it couldn't have been late in the afternoon. It must have been after zman tefillah but before chatzos.

I don't know the Rambam, but I know that the Alter Rebbe says to wait until you can concentrate, even if you'll miss *zman tfillah.*

Qtap: blah blah blah. I heard all the reasons why chassidim daven late. but those are all non-halachic reasons. Halacha is very clear on the matter. You're just like this niddah-f*cking rabbi. you both invoke spiritual stuff to ignore halacha.

Mottel: the magnitute of the sin is much smaller, but the "tzad hashavah" is that both entail ignoring halacha.

Mottel said...

-E: Again my focus is on what takes one outside the pale of Orthodoxy

e said...

So what takes one out of the pale of orthodoxy? Are there certain sins which take you out and certain sins which don't? Or does it depend on your attitude towards halacha?

The Real Shliach said...

Qtap: My pleasure.

e: Well, that's how I heard the story. Go ask the Rosh.

Mottel: Who decides what takes one outside the pale of orthodoxy?

Mottel said...

TRS: The 13 ikkarim are a good place to start . . .

e said...

it's a start, but it's far from a finish...

to repeat, is it the magnitude of the sin, or is it the attitude towards halacha? Or perhaps something else?

The Real Shliach said...

Mottel: And wonder of wonders...there's machlokesin about those too! Sure, maybe we all accept them nowadays, but back in the day?

e: what do you think?

e said...

i think it depends on your attitude towards halacha.

The Real Shliach said...

As in, does Halacha define Judaism or does Judaism define Halacha?

e said...

both. before i write an essay to explain it, please be so kind and tell me: were you asking because it sounded smart, or were you asking because you wanted to know?

Mottel said...

-Trs: Wonder of wonderous wonders! Hence my words as it being a good place to start.

The Real Shliach said...

Sounded smart, eh?

But honestly, yes, I would like to know what you think on the subject.

The Real Shliach said...

Mottel: No, you have to debate the very validity of those principlies...

also, why no engagement on last night's post?

e said...

halacha defines judaism: the most essential aspect of judaism is observing halacha. hama'aseh hu ha'ikar etc. So the definition of good Jew is "one who follows halacha."

Judaism defines halacha: all the non-halachic aspects of Judaism affect halacha. Some kabbalisitic/spiritual things are mentioned in Shulchan Aruch. Some (like praying shacrhis after chatzos) are not.

The Real Shliach said...

Nice answer. Is it your final one?

e said...

final answer to that question.

The Real Shliach said...

You win our prize! 1 million dollars!