Thursday, December 18, 2008

No cheese for you!

I'm thinking of changing the name of this blog from "The Real Shliach" to "The Real Chaim Schapiro". What do you think? Anyway, during shiur today, the Rabbi explained the many opinions re: Na"t Bar Na"t, and the many ramifications involved therein. At one point he mentioned that Halacha paskened one way, but for the public we pasken another way. My ears immediately perked to full attention, and after shiur I asked him to repeat what he had said, so that he couldn't come to me later with taanos.
So, when a pot is not a ben yomo, and you cook pareve in it, then you can later take that pareve out of the pot and eat it with the other min. For example, if you have a fleishik pot that was last used for meat two days ago, and now you cook spaghetti in it, you can take that spaghetti out, put it on a milchig bowl, and eat it with cheese. Yummy.
Now, if you have smicha, then you can do this. Otherwise, fawgettaboutit. Why? Because you, my smicha-less friend, don't know the halachos and would get all mixed up, violate G-d's commands, and burn forever in the fiery pits of hell for all eternity.
At this point please excuse me while I get hysterical. THE RABBIS HAVE ONE LAW FOR THEMSELVES AND ONE FOR THE PEOPLE! I needed to get that out of my system. Yes, it's true, we just can't trust the common folk to understand these things, so unfortunately we have to deny them the chance to eat this particular delectable delicacy. I hope you don't mind.


Meanwhile, moving onto much more important matters, it's now time for the pictures of the cutest two year old niece in the universe, later followed by the cutest five month old niece in the universe. I'd like to provide pictures of the cutest three year old niece in the world too, but I can't find any recent pictures. Sorry. Anyway, here is my two year old niece Raiza Miriam:



And, here is five month Chaya Mushka:



I'd love to write some more, but A. I'm tired out from my day of strenuous learning (this is true) and B. It's not like I have anything brilliant to say anyway.

236 comments:

Elisheva said...

Thank you for this. It seriously explains a lot of things that go on in the kitchen where I live...

No joke.

Also for a five month old, Chaya Mushka is pretty darn animated.

Elisheva said...

The other one is cute too.

The Real Shliach said...

Cute? That's all? We're all insulted here! :)

Elisheva said...

Come on, I was trying to preserve my dignity by not getting mushy on a boy's blog.

The Real Shliach said...

About these two cuties mushy is A-OK.

Elisheva said...

Seriously for months now, almost a year, I have been plagued with wondering how the h the pareve was really pareve when it wasn't truly pareve... now I know. Sneaky.

The Real Shliach said...

Believe you me, there's a lot more to this religion than you ever imagined. Heck, more than I ever imagined.

Elisheva said...

Much more interesting than this chemistry business.

The Real Shliach said...

And a sight more meaningful too.

Elisheva said...

A sight more than a sight.

The Real Shliach said...

Plus one for the road.

moderately chauvinist e said...

I would be interested to see how a chemist/physicist would look at yoreh deah. We should test in a lab all these principles like "the bottom one heats up the top," "the fat diffuses the taste throughout the whole piece," "salting is like boiling," "preserved is like cooked," "it is impossible to [fully] squeeze out the forbidden flavor." When you get to melicha, you're going to learn all sorts of physical principles, such as "the water closes the pores," "because it is occupied with adsorbing, it cannot absorb," and many others. It would be interesting to see how these hold up to scientific inquiry.

I purposely used only English terms, so our local chemist could give her 2c.

e said...

Add another option to poll, "nieces? Oh, you mean those little ogretes?"

Elisheva said...

From the half of a iota that I have learned I've wondered the exact same thing.

E, if you're willing to provide the grant money I'll get right to work.

The Real Shliach said...

e: I never knew you were suicidal.

Nemo said...

Hey, you never asked for my two sense on archaic Jewish jurisprudence?

Oh, and some more concepts worth clarifying: whether sticking a knife in semi-arid earth removes all particles from the serrated edge ... whether there's any actuality to tastes disintegration in 60:1 ratios ... whether meat flavor actually lingers in your mouth for 6 hours ... whether an animal with a splinter in its stomach is guaranteed to die within one year ... whether schita really is pain- and agitation-free ... and a host of other scientific concepts that our medieval forebearers taught us as empirical truth.

e said...

TRS, suicidal?

Elisheva said...

Nemo: I tried to resist. "cents"

Elisheva said...

Granted I can't talk since I wrote "a iota."

Joe in Australia said...

Whereas it should have been a iotum.

And even rabbis shouldn't do tricks like the one with the spaghetti, because next thing you'll be cutting a lemon with your fleishig knife and putting it into your milchig teacup and by the time you've figured out whether your tea is kosher it will be cold.

Cheerio said...

now the competition is on... because i, too, have a five month old niece who is the cutest little girl in the world. unfortunately for me, it's going to take a few days for me to be able to get a current picture of her up, and by that time, everyone will have forgotten about the contest.
trs - maybe this is why the Rebbe wanted every boy to get semicha?
and M.C.e - that line of inquiry has always been a favorite of mine. there's a story of the alter rebbe that fits in - something about roses and dew. do you think we could get JLI to sponsor elisheva's research?

Elisheva said...

That would be awesome!

For me that is.

The Real Shliach said...

e: Well, if you say things like that, bad things could happen to you. You've met Dovid, no?

Nemo: The point is that you have to sublimate.

Aussie Joe: Granted, one shouldn't do things like this all the time, as we see by switching an oven from milchigs to fleishigs, but if it happens...

Cheerio: So that they can eat more food?

Elisheva said...

Sublimate? In my world sublimation is when a substance moves form the solid state directly to the gaseous state. Ex. Dry ice.

The Real Shliach said...

Exactly, you have to take what you learn, not ponder it at all, and directly implement it into your life.

Elisheva said...

Ahhh.

fabulous said...

BS"D
Ka''h, your neices are A-D-O-R-A-B-L-E!
(mind you I only have a nephew, so there's no competition there...)
They should only bring Chassidishe Nachas and true Simcha to all!

About the whole pot being pareve only for Rabbis... My solution is to marry a Rabbi and then I'm in on the fringe benefits right?

The Real Shliach said...

Elisheva: I thought you wouldn't like that answer.

Fabulous: Thank you. Amen. It was all my hard work, I assure you.

Re: Rabbis-Only if you listen to everything he says and trust him implicitly...ha!

fabulous said...

BS"D
Isn't it amazing how an aunt or uncle can influence their sibling's ofspring?

If he's my husband, then yes I think that more than anyone else, he is who I should trust implicitly. Trust is one of the pillars that a marriage is based on. But I won't discuss marriage on your blog... definately the wrong place for that!!!

EndOfWorld said...

I do the pot thing all the time, and I dont have smicha. All you have to do is ask someone (ie, a nice father in law who has lots of patience) to explain the rules and *presto* its spaghetti+meatballs one day and spaghetti+cheese another. No need to get elitist about that


Speaking of nice father in laws, he actually came over once and did the whole stabbing-knife-in-ground-seven- or-was-it-ten-time- while-hoping-no one-sees -what-you're doing thing

how about a post about that?

Elisheva said...

The ahh is to your explanation of your usage of the word "sublimate." I did not make an actual comment on the answer.

The Real Shliach said...

Fabulous: Can you tell that to my sisters?

My blog is the wrong place to discuss marriage? But we're so impartial; after all, if we're against it at this point, then we can help people without a problem.

End Of World: You're gonna burn!! You think I'm learning my tail off here so that some woman can do the same thing as I do? Where are the fringe perks here?

According to the lord our master Rabbi Chaim Shapiro, this whole knife-stabbing thing is quite misunderstood; example, it doesn't kasher the knife, it must be in hard ground, not a flowerpot, must be in a different place each time.

Elisheva: Ahhh...

Nemo said...

Tchiva b'karka is only meant to remove the particles from the tip of the blade to prevent issues with duchka d'sakina ... It is by no means a method of hachshara ... in other words, you still can't use it for cham.

fabulous said...

BS"D
I'm sure that your sisters are just in denial.

I'm a bit confused about the whole impartial marriage thing...
If you're against it, how can you help people? Whose the "we" you are referring to?
As you see, I am rather perplexed with your comment.

The Real Shliach said...

I'm sure.

Perplexed no more: Well, we're not against marriage per se, rather we're not big fans of it right now. Therefore, since we have no ulterior motives possible, we can be of the greatest possible use to help you in this great journey of yours through horribly named "Parsha".

Fabulously Laughing Girl said...

BS"D
Lol!!!
I had no clue that you meant it as help to me! I'm sitting here laughing... hold on...

Okay all better. I appreciate the help on my journey. If my mashpia's advice c'v fails I'm glad I can count on you. Oh wait, I'm laughing again...

The Real Shliach said...

Well, even if I can't help you with marriage, at least I made you laugh, which is quite rewarding in and of itself.

Fabulous still laughing said...

BS"D
I'm glad that my laughing makes you feel rewarded!
I wasn't so much laughing at you for offering assistance... You have to understand, I have two older sisters who have been speaking about marriage since before I was born... Thus I've been well educated in such subjects. Before I even graduated highschool, I had people asking me for dating advice. No joke.

When I speak I articulate myself well (that's why I'm a "reference" for quite a few friends...), so even when I don't know what I'm talking about, it still sounds great and practical...
But yes, you have definately brought a smile to my face!

The Real Shliach said...

Ahh, maybe you could start a dating advice column on this very blog!

fabulous said...

BS"D
Wow, you're offering to spare blog space, i'm touched.

The Real Shliach said...

I'm touched that you're touched, but of course the truth is that I have virtually unlimited space-this is Google's site, after all, not me.

Fabulous said...

BS"D
It's not the actual "space", it's the offer to share-even if it's "limitless" (or said jokingly...:)

In anycase, giving a part of something limitless, is still cause for thankfulness. Hashem can do everything and anything. He gives us a "piece" of eternity. A "place" within time, and space, and existence. Yet, despite the fact that it is not c'v hard for Him, and that He is limitless, we still praise and thank Him for His kindness.

So therefore, despite googles unlimited space, I still appreciate the offer!

The Real Shliach said...

Awe, now I'm really touched.
So when is the weekly column coming up?

Fabulous said...

BS"D
Isn't amazing how the word "touched" can be conjoured up without any physical proximity? Another reason why I like writing...

In anycase, no shidduchim columns till I actually know what in the world I'm talking about... or until you make a space for it on your blog. Whichever comes first!

The Real Shliach said...

What kind of space are you looking for? Your word is my command (within reason of course)!

nameless, faceless said...

Guys, I'm just going to have to step in here and say that I'm really uncomfortable with all this touching and being touched that's going on around here.

Come on, TRS - I thought you of all people would be shomer negiah. I'm so disappointed....

The Real Shliach said...

Didn't you read Fabulous' last comment Miss Nameless Faceless?

cee (cohen) said...

Totally off the subject.
TRS- This is SO SO crazy, but I forgot my username, or my password, somehow one of them ain't workin'...(in my email, that is)can you do me a giant of a favor and see what username came up for me?
Thanks buddy!

The Real Shliach said...

What username came up where? Heck, I don't even know who you are! Or maybe I do. I probably do. Just not under this particular name.

fabulous said...

BS"D
TRS- I'll let you get creative on that one.

Nameless (but doubtfully) faceless- I was waiting for someone to bring up that point. That is exactly why I mentioned it in my above post. What we write as "touching" is in fact so far from actual touch that it can sometimes reach a much higher and loftier level... in this case it was said in jest, but to touch without touch is a powerful thing.

cee said...

In your email! I hardly use this email and now wanted to open it and my oh my it ain't goin' so they suggested I ask someone who I sent an email to from the account, and I remember writing to you... quite a while ago though... ahhhhhh!! what else am I to do?
Thanks for checking!

Anonymous said...

Perhaps it is time to bring the TP back...

cee said...

TRS, you still there? I gonna assume you are still checking or you took a bathroom break....
If I tell you your niece, the older one, is cute, you gonna go faster?

Elisheva said...

Come on man. I was off doing bidding for a "real shliach" and I miss everything that is flying on The Real Shliach?

The Real Shliach said...

I'm back.

Elisheva said...

Not sure why I put that in quotes.

The Real Shliach said...

All righty then, let me deal with everybody.

First of all, that was cee.cohen@gmail.com

The Real Shliach said...

Fabulous: If touch is so powerful, it reached our inner essence (as opposed to the outer essence?), then isn't it even more of a problem?

Cee: Happy?

Anon: It's always a good time for some old-fashioned misplaced morality!

Elisheva: Yeah, I don't know either.

Elisheva said...

Correction: Come on. I was off doing bidding for a real shliach and I miss everything that is flying on "The Real Shliach"?

Fabulous: You don't need to know anything about shidduchim to talk about it. Everyone talks about it and has no clue what they're saying.

That was meant as encouragement.

cee said...

Happy?? I am THRILLED!!!
Thank you thank you!
Dodo brain that I am, I forgot the .

G-d bless the real shliach!

The Real Shliach said...

That's what I'm here for, to help my fellow Jews out. Wow, I wonder if I can get a federal grant or something now that I've become an aid society.

s(b.) said...

nemo, or anyone, what's the source of the stabbing cutlery to kasher thing? My uncle had a mini-garden out back of forks and stuff to kasher them, and we (my cousins and I) always wondered if there was any halachic back-up for that. Thanks.

EndOfWorld said...

hehe...S(B)...sounds like the city boy version of starting a garden. you know, where does milk come from? from the grocery store obviously.

The Real Shliach said...

It's in Shulchan Oruch. You want more detail, ask your local orthodox Rabbi, which as of now I am not, or catch me at a time when I'm not being lazy and will have the patience to look it up.

fabulously tired... said...

BS"D
If we were seriously "touched" then perhaps on a Neshama-level it "ain't" so Kosher... but seeing as how it was said in jest, it's just modern jargon at its finest. I'm still waiting for my section on your blog... nu?

The Real Shliach said...

What? You weren't really touched? Dang.

You have yet to explain exactly how you want it done. Besides, I can't just open up a section without any content. Email me a piece, and I'll make it happen.

Fab gal said...

BS"D
Okay maybe a teeny bit touched... but not enough to make it an issur d'rabbanan, so we're still kosher ok?

Okay, why not a box somewhere on the screen, with a weekly advice comment/tip.
There's just one thing... I don't email bochurim, so I've got to figure out a different method of sending it to you.

The Real Shliach said...

According to the good L-rd, even winking or whistling at a girl is tantamount to adultery.

Carrier pigeon?

Tired and Fabulous said...

BS"D
Touch via computer is not like a wink or a whistle... it's actually if anything an artificial acquintance (spl?!).
Carrier pigeon? You wish I'm touching one of those!
I can send it to you as a comment, and then you can post it up as a whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

The Real Shliach said...

spl? And yes, the internet is in many respects even worse.

You never did kapores?

If you wish.

Tp the 3rd said...

Fab gal - And how is commenting back and forth to a bochur any better than emailing??

The Real Shliach said...

Oh please, stop exposing people's hypocrisy. Go back to Bnei Brak or something.

fabulous said...

BS"D
Spl- spelling
I don't hold my chicken durring kapores, I give someone else the lovely honor of doing so.

Tp- You bring up a point that I am debating in my mind... The thing is, with commenting on a blog, I am in a public setting. Whereas, email is much more personal and private. Something disclosed and one-on-one. Not cool.

The Real Shliach said...

Use spell check.

Chicken.

Don't worry, we all felt guilty for thirty seconds or so at one time or another. You'll soon get over it.

Elisheva said...

Yeah after a week I got over my guilt. Don't worry.

fabulous in contemplation said...

BS"D
Why did you write "chicken"?
Oh, when I used to comment on a different blog, I asked my mashpia about it as a matter of fact.
She said it was fine. But it wasn't commenting like this.
This I believe is not so ok. Perhaps I'll stop.

The Real Shliach said...

It took you that long? Typical BT :)

The Real Shliach said...

Fab: I was calling you a chicken.
Don't. Or do. Whatever makes you feel holy.

Elisheva said...

I don't know if I should take offense or not.

fab said...

BS"D
I think it's beyond what makes you feel holy. Rather, it's what makes you holy. (now that, was a worthwhile comment.)

The Real Shliach said...

Elisheva: What do you think the smiley face means?

Fab: Deep.

Elisheva said...

I had many possible interpretations.

The Real Shliach said...

Well, I'm glad to have eased your concerns.

Elisheva said...

I intended to type "It has many possible interpretations." So you didn't ease them in fact. Although I have gathered I should not take offense.

The Real Shliach said...

Excellent deduction.

Cheerio said...

oh gosh, this is so exciting! Fab GIrl - i second elisheva. you don't need to have any clue about shidduchim to talk about them. can i guest write a column on your guest spot on trs, once you figure out the delivery issue? maybe you could get all old fashioned, and fax it...
and EndOf seems to have been the only one to get my point - if every boy is a Rabbi, then every household gets to use the loopholes, then secular people can't complain about the elitist rabbinate. tada!

The Real Shliach said...

Sure.

fab said...

BS"D
I hereby give cheerio full permision to use unlimited space on my unlimited space of TRS's unlimted space of google's unlimted blogging space.
I will have my first advice column for you tomorrow B"H.

The Real Shliach said...

The collective I can't wait.

fabulous and good night said...

BS"D
Side Note- Each time I visit this page, I have ur neices smiling up. They're seriously as mushy-wordingly possible adorable. Just in case you didn't know.

Elisheva said...

Uch Fabulous I know. It is torture. Serious torture.

The Real Shliach said...

You're too kind.

Cheerio said...

trs, so you didn't need my explanation of the conventions of emoticons after all! i see you used it quite appropriately.
fab girl - please don't leave us! i think you have a positive and uplifting influence with your presence/comments.
but just to trouble your mind further - if commenting on a blog with a member of the opposite gender is ok because it is public, is having a conversation with a m.o.t.o.g. at a shabbos meal or other public forum ok as well?

Elisheva said...

Yeah Fab Gal, no leaving. Your comments tend to actually be positive and well Jewish. Yeah.

The Real Shliach said...

Well, I know the obvious ones.


Must you open cans of worms after 3:00 AM? Where's Hillary when you need her?

Cheerio said...

do you have a worm of choice in this can (i.e., an opinion)?

Cheerio said...

hillary?

The Real Shliach said...

Opinion: Yes, I have one, but like all good opinions, it depends on who is sitting at the table.

Hillary: Don't you remember all those adverts from a year ago in the presidential campaign?

Cheerio said...

give some examples...
and - no. my interest in the campaign began and ended with snl.

The Real Shliach said...

For example, if it's my sister's 20 year old sister in law, or my mashpia's wife, then that's one thing.

How patriotic of you.

Cheerio said...

so if me and elisheva and fab girl all ended up at a shabbos table with you - not a peep?

Elisheva said...

That would be the most ridiculous Shabbos table.

The Real Shliach said...

I wouldn't know it was you. Besides, is it just us 4, or what? You have to elaborate on the circumstances. It's not a cut and paste thing, each case must be considered on its own merits. For example, this Shabbos, one girl I chatted to, as it was socially acceptable, and one I didn'.

Elisheva said...

Yeah, but we'd know it is you.

The Real Shliach said...

You'll talk to me? For shame!

Elisheva said...

G-d forbid. I'm just saying, you're recognizable.

Cheerio said...

but what is socially acceptable? a familial relationship of some sort? what about all those siblings who marry their sibling's inlaws? is it about intent -ex. you're attracted or not, frum or not frum?
elisheva - it would be hysterical. and i'm tempted to try and maneuver such a meal into actual existence....
and trs - you would know it was us. how many berkeley girls , or girls going to college in wisconsin are there in CH at any given time?

Elisheva said...

Or cousins that marry cousins. Thats big on this side of the Mississippi.

The Real Shliach said...

Again, what is socially acceptable? Every case is different. Give me a scenario, I'll tell you what I would do.


ELisheva: Got that Shmotkin thing going on, eh?

Cheerio said...

so if you were at a meal where the hosts wouldn't judge you for talking to a girl, it wasnt just you having a one on one conversation, would you talk to the motogs?

Elisheva said...

For Asher its the worst. His aunt is his sister in law and his cousin. He's nieces and nephews are his cousins. His mother is his sister in law...

The Real Shliach said...

Cheerio: Hey, I very rarely (never) have a conversation, but making snide comments every two minutes? I'm great at that. So yeah, if I can get away with it, I do, though I like to think that I'm doing it to preserve my sanity-some of these girls say some really stupid things, and I just can't keep my big mouth shut.

What is a motog?

Elisheva: That's why he moved so far away.

Elisheva said...

TRS: Even I make snippy comments at stupid girls...

Okay I laughed out loud at the last one.

Cheerio said...

motog = member of the opposite gender
this guy's family sounds a little creepy...
here's another q - why wouldn't you? have a conversation? why?
do you really, really, really feel its not tznius? because if you do, i respect that.
ooh, here's another one, from my real life experience; if you were in the airport, traveling alone, and you saw a girl, obviously lubavitch, on the same flight, or right behind you during security, or having trouble with her bags or something - would you say/do anything?

Elisheva said...

You save a lot of time on dates if you already know the other person's family.

The Real Shliach said...

Do I really feel it's not tznius? Yes.
Listen, I'm as fundamentalist as they get in belief, but lav davka does my fundamentalism translate into action.

Oh, how many times did teenage me pray this would happen...I suppose G-d knew what he was doing when he never gave me this particular test.

Tp the 3rd said...

Gimme a break! You really truly deeply believe there is nothin' wrong chatting on-line with motog till the wee hours of the night?!??!

And if someone decides to do the right thing, how dare any of you to discourage that!!
Sinning is one thing, but to convince someone else....

The Real Shliach said...

I don't really truly believe anything. You should know that by now.

tp1 said...

TP3,

You must be familiar enough with this blog and with Cheerio's blog to know about me and my sidekick, tp2. Who are you? Have you been silently following this blog the whole time?

The Real Shliach said...

TP1, I think you have been taken in. Me suspects that TP3 is not as holy as s/he appears.

fabulous said...

BS"D
Glad to know that people actually appreciate my commenting. Makes the voyage worth it.

In any case, regarding Shabbos talking to the opp. gender at a Shabbos meal etc. IMHO it really depends on circumstance. Is it a group discussion? If so, it's obvious that I'd be a big part of it :) If it's one-on-one, then personally I wouldn't.
Years ago, I was seated next to a bochur on an airplane ride...

Elisheva said...

*gasp*

Fab Gal said...

BS”D
TRS- Dating Column #1:
___________________________________
BS"D

Some wisdoms and thoughts on dating… who knows, they might prove to be useful advice!

Before we begin to delve into shidduch guidance,

Intertwined within my writing, you will find various quotes. Unless otherwise stated, these are all words taken from Gila Manalson’s book “Head to Heart”.

Firstly, Shidduch dating is not just to have and interesting experience. Don’t get someone’s hopes up just for your entertainment. It’s cruel.

Furthermore, as tempting as it may seem, dating for “practice” is not as promising as it may seem.
“Dating (not for marriage) may be educational, but education isn’t always wisdom”
Dating for practice can actually backfire! “For while learning a new sport can be difficult, it’s doubly frustrating when you thought you already knew how to play... The resulting disappointment and discouragement can even ruin the marriage.”

Thus, before even beginning to embark into the journey of shidduchim, ask yourself what your motives are.
By agreeing to date someone with the ideals of marriage, you are making an extremely strong and courageous move.
Quite possibly, four months from that first date, you will be married. You will be committed and responsible to another person for the rest of your life. For the rest of eternity.
Are you ready to handle that?

I’d like to end off with a short yet (as always) meaningful and applicable letter from the Rebbe that can be found in “Eternal Joy” Vol. 1 pg. 3

“… As one embarks upon such a critical and vital sep in one’s life as constrcting a Jewish eternal edifice of marriage, improving one’s spiritual state is of crucial and fundamental importance.”

May we hear only good news, and mazel tovs!


If you have any comments, questions, arguments, or if you would like me to discuss a specific topic, please share.

Sincerely,
F.G.
__________________________________

Elisheva said...

Well Fab Girl, you sufficiently scared me.

FG said...

BS"D
Wait around for column #2... Very possibly it will be about guilt- how you should get married asap :) lol.
Enjoy.

FG said...

BS"D
Wait around for column #2... Very possibly it will be about guilt- how you should get married asap :) lol.
Enjoy.

Elisheva said...

Well, I'm not going to read it then.

fg said...

BS"D
Don't worry LE7, I'm jjk ;)
In any case, anything specific you want me to write about for next time?

The Real Shliach said...

Fabulous on airplane: nu, what happened?
Fabulous on dating: I'll post it up in its own nice thing on Wednesday night, ok? Bichlal, it's easier for me if you send it on a thursday night or motzei shabbos.

Elisheva: you can't escape the truth just because you're scared.

Elisheva said...

At least I'm scared. The fact that I'm scared shows I fully realize what a huge responsibility/deal/holy thing it is. So there. And anyways what sane boy wants to marry a girl who has years of school left.

fg said...

BS"D
What happened on the airplane stays on the airplane. Okay, not quite so intriguing as that. Suffice it to say that I was extremely talkative in my early youth, yet I managed to control my chatter box of a mouth. I'm not saying nothing was said, but then again, nothing really was said.

Recently I've been seated next to bochurim and b"H been able to move my seat. I can't really fly from Israel to NY next to a bochur... too long and too tiring a flight.

I take it that you'll comment on the shidduch piece once it's found it's own blogging home?

Elisheva said...

True that FG. On my flight to Israel I was seated next to a football sized guy. He wasn't religious but offered to switch seats with a girl. Nice kid. (He did switch).

e said...

LE7, I like that. I have a cousin names Zeesy, and she write her name ZC. Of course she has a cousin, who calls her zayin samach.

Fg: if you leave you post as a comment, then you steal your own thunder. I vote you do the horribly untznius, and e-mail it to TRS.

e said...

Oh yeah, TRS is a pervert, who'll flirt any girl who e-mails him to death. Maybe you should include a bunch of people in the CC, so that it'll be a public place.

Elisheva: Until today I thought you were married. Apparently, that snood-like headgear in your picture gives the wrong impression.

Elisheva said...

Yeah FG is rather clever. Maybe I should go to a minimalist LE7.

Yeah put your mommy in the CC, then it will be really public. Or TRS's mommy.

Really TRS you need a dropbox. In college they have them, where the professor sets up an online spot where you can upload the file (usually a paper) to and only the professor can download it, but no communication can occur over it.

e. - No wonder I haven't been harassed by the TP, they probably think I'm married.

If I was married I would hope that I'm not hanging out on blogs.

Cheerio said...

and...?
don't leave me hanging!

e said...

A couple months ago, we had the married women who had a a kid (or kids?) partying with us on TRS. She called herself Wannabe Shadchanit or something like that. Search our archives. She was always complaining that she was falling behind in her wifely and motherly duties b/c of TRS. Yeah, I hope you don't end up like her.

LE7 said...

Well I most likely won't be getting married for a while. I'm not even 20.

I also hope I would never have a picture online of me in a snood.

The Real Shliach said...

E: wow, such nice words. Still, I guess I shouldn't expect anything decent from you.

Fab: bingo. Anyway, you can email me, I don't bite.

Cheerio: what's the issue exactly?

Elisheva: you think no one will marry you until you're out of school? That could take years!

Cheerio said...

i'm trying to follow a real time conversation as well as a blogging conversation, so my comment came rather late in the game. i was referring to the airplane incident.

LE7 said...

Fab just put his mommy in the CC.

TRS: What, you think thats ridiculous to say?

Cheerio said...

wait, WHOSE mommy?

LE7 said...

Anyone's mommy I guess. You guys could put my mommy, but she doesn't see the big deal with boy/girl socialization.

The Real Shliach said...

first of all, what does LE7 mean? Secondly, what's the difference between a hat and a tichel? Thirdly, fab just cc whose mommy? Fourthly, yes, it is ridiculous, your biological clock is ticking...

tp2 (the sidekick) said...

And I'm back. Nauseated. And NOT from the abundance of donuts..
TP!! Do something!!
You know around the high holy days things got a bit calmer, would you not say so?
Why are these girls doing this again?!
Girls stick to girlie blogs and boys to boys, please and thank you.

LE7 said...

LE7 is Elisheva. Get it?

There is a difference between me wearing a hat and a married me using a snood/tichel/hat to cover my hair in public (or online pictures).

Anyone's mommy. I'll loan mine if you want. Or I can give you my landlady's email.

But it's not ridiculous to say that no sane boy would want to marry a girl in school. Unless he has forethought and is able to recognize, down the road it will be nice to have a wifey who can significantly contribute financially.

The Real Shliach said...

Oh goodie, the self righteous TP2 is back again.

Fredricka said...

Nobody tell trs what LE7 stands for. Let him figure it out himself.

e said...

le7, that hat looks very snoodlike. I guess if you don't want ppl thinking you're on the market, you can have them think that you're already off..

Fredricka said...

Oops i'm too late. (as usual)
you people are too fast for me

Cheerio said...

trs, do you also not know the difference between a dress and a skirt?

The Real Shliach said...

Frederika, where's the ahavas yisrael?
Elisheva, with the kind of money you'll one day be making, I think that a lot of guys would jump at you.

tp1 said...

This is really frustrating me. TP2, how did you know to suddenly reappear now? Are you cheerio? Are you tp3?

i must congratulate you. I've spilled my identity, a bunch of times, but you're still pristinely anonymous.

Cheerio said...

trs, how sweet! and mercenary!

The Real Shliach said...

Cheerio: the physical difference is obvious. I'm more concerned with the conceptual differences here.

LE7 said...

I'm so excited I get to marry a gold digger. No wonder my landpeople didn't kick me out yet.... I have upward mobility and am a potential future donor.

Cheerio said...

tp1 - I am NOT tp2. do i look like i have a split personality to you? oh wait, you're so tznius you have no clue what i look like!

LE7 said...

Did I properly explain the conceptual business?

Fredricka said...

My point exactly. My ahavat Yisrael - Have Mr. Maister use his brain. :)

The Real Shliach said...

TP1: the difference is that you're one person, while the impersonator of the other ones changes.

Cheerio+Elisheva: hey, facts is facts.

Cheerio said...

this reminds me of a conversation i had this past shabbos about why i should go to college...

LE7 said...

I was always under the impression the fact that I'm going to college and didn't do the whole two years of sem and one year of shlichus many of my (yes BT) friends did was a disadvantage. I now know that I was wrong.

Fredricka said...

Can this be turned into a chatroom? Too many conversations going on in diff. directions, too fast.

Cheerio said...

wow, your friends must have started young!

The Real Shliach said...

Elisheva: obviously, you'll only attract a certain crowd.
Fred: chas v'shalom! Chat rooms are frie!

Cheerio said...

so frie! as frie as talking in person! blogging is definitely the tznius way! just the word "chat" is not tznius! "comment" is the only tznius word!

LE7 said...

Cheerio: Yeah well, I started young. Eleventh grade is relatively young. A few dropped out of college also...

TRS: I must ask, what is this certain crowd?

Fredricka said...

Hysterical!, Trs.

Is Nemo on vacation?

The Real Shliach said...

Elisheva: you have yet to explain the difference.

LE7 said...

I did explain the difference. You explain the certain crowd.

"There is a difference between me wearing a hat and a married me using a snood/tichel/hat to cover my hair in public (or online pictures)."

In other words, what is wrong with me wearing a hat now? Nothing at all since there is no need for me to cover my hair.

But if I was married wearing a hat/tichel in a picture or outside.... uh yeah not so good.

Cheerio said...

a hat vs a snood? a hat is an accessory, decorative and often useful for keeping your head warm, that usually does not cover all of one's hair. the "hat' in LE7's picture would more properly be termed a "beret". A snood is a bag for your hair, that frum married women wear when they don't want to fuss with those cute tichels (aka scarves) you can get in Yerushalayim.

Cheerio said...

btw, LE7, it's a very cute hat ;)

LE7 said...

See? Cheerio is the fashion expert in these here parts and much better versed than I.

LE7 said...

Thanks. I love these hats. I live in them.

Cheerio said...

In Wisconsin, I imagine you'd have to ;)

The Real Shliach said...

Certain crowds of guys want girls who will teach in preschool their whole lives. Others want girls who will be at home, always their for the kids. Others want someone who'll add significantly to the bottom line.

I still don't get the difference. If people think you're married now with a hat...

Cheerio said...

so this comes down to e.'s misconception of LE7 as a married woman. the lesson: E, don't be misled by appearances!

LE7 said...

Hey I'd love to be the second one. Who knows. Should I be wary of this third group?

I don't get your question. What is your question? If you ever go hang out in other circles a lot of the married women cover their hair with hats or scarves.

The Real Shliach said...

Oh, it's all about fashion, is it? I suppose I'll abdicate my position when it comes to that. Also, in case you're wondering, I'm going to blog now, meaning I won't respond to any comments until I'm done. I know you're all devastated.

tp2 said...

Tp - since you know TRS personally, do you think maybe he wants to date these gals?
Boruch Hashem Fab.girl is truly living up to her name and did a fabulous get-away.
And I will follow suit for this is bad news over here.

Cheerio said...

these galS? isn't that a little promiscuous?

LE7 said...

It's about fashion because no one gets what your question is. What is your question? The whole subject is definitely not a "fashion" subject, so what is your question?

Also, you didn't answer, should I be wary of the third group?

Anyways, I am going to sleep. I won't be blogging or commenting until AFTER my last exam.

Cheerio said...

Good luck!

LE7 said...

Also you never replied Mr. TRS. (You have the same initials as RST. Very confusing).

The Real Shliach said...

Sorry 'bout that. Here goes:

Hats versus tichelach: point is, most of us guys aren't used to seeing unmarried girls wearing headgear. So when someone does, it raises questions. Also, like many guys, I don't understand female fashion, and I fail to see the difference between a hat and a tichel.

Groups of guys: Well, they're probably the group you're looking for anyway. Just because you want your wife to work it doesn't that you're a gold digger. Gone are the days when a family could live on one middle class income.

Who is RST?

comment 186, by e said...

I think this post takes the all-time TRS record of having the most comments.

LE7 said...

Yeah hat is purely a fashion thing. Also a warmth thing. Also a I don't want to wash my hair thing.

Very true. Jewish schools cost a lot of money and someone's got to pay for it. There's nothing wrong with having a bunch of kids AND being able to support them yourself. (No food stamps what?!)

LE7 said...

E. Wonder if we could hit 200? Not by false means though, purely natural.

The Real Shliach said...

Elisheva: you don't want to wash your hair? How difficult can it be already?

Re: school/money: in fact, you're in an enviable position.

Eliezer: it certainly does. I wonder what an anthropologist reading this would say. Or a mashpia, for that matter.

LE7 said...

Trust me it's difficult, and funny enough I feel like it would be immodest to get into all the details of why it is difficult.

Yeah, but like you said, if the goal is to live a meaningful life, I'm rather behind in that respect.

The Real Shliach said...

All righty then. It's not like any of us ever do anything immodest online anyway.

So get cracking.

LE7 said...

I have enough hair to make three sheitels. There happy? Not only that, many a woman complains about being reduced to [insert random body feature], well I have been reduced to a pony tail. Women come over and stroke my hair murmuring about how sad they are for my future loss but I should be sure to make a hat from it.

I am. I'm using your concise straightforward comment in my next diatribe to the powers that be.

The Real Shliach said...

Women come over and stroke your hair? You should sue them for sexual harassment.
And how do you make a hat out of hair?

Who are the powers that be? Can I get their autograph? Btw, when is your final?

LE7 said...

Yeah it's freakin' creepy. A sheitel. A sheitel is essentially a hat of hair. Just super inflated pricing.

The powers are my own mini beis din.

I took it this morning. :-)

The Real Shliach said...

Maybe I should go into the business.
What is that supposed to mean? And I still want an autograph.
How did it go?

LE7 said...

I was thinking about it. There is this religious Israeli guy that my friend just went to and paid (almost) $3000... you can make good money.

I have my own beis din what do you think? Who could be on it... I'm sure you could get one if you came to Milwaukee.

I think it went well. Half the stuff I studied wasn't on it. It was a bit too easy.... I'll know once my final grade is in.

The Real Shliach said...

You'll be a pharmacist, no need to trade in other people's scalps.

They aren't available anywhere else?

Mazel tov.

LE7 said...

Maybe not, I'm too lazy.

I'm sure they are. They're always out of Milwaukee Country anyways. That's why it's so hard to make any life changes!

Don't say it yet. I don't have the grade.

The Real Shliach said...

Never let laziness get in the way of a good nap.

What do you have, mashpia by commitee?

The mazel tov was on taking the test. Does this mean we're getting a post tonight?

LE7 said...

Not so much anymore, but there used to be a time period where I would e-mail Rabbi 1 and get a reply from Rabbi 3 on the e-mail that was forwarded to him by Rabbi 2.

I should stop commenting because I have brilliant ideas for two posts and they're hard to write.