I had a really weird dream last night about gays. Basically, I posted something about gay marriage on TRS one night, and a whole comment thread developed about it. I'd say which commenters were on which side of the debate, but I don't want anyone to get mad at me. There was also a new commenter, posting as anonymous, who wrote an impassioned defense of gay rights, or something like that. Later that night I was walking outside and chanced upon this blogger, who had some weird French name, and I told him he was wrong. He asked me why? I explained to him my view, that gay marriage is all wonderful and fine, and anyone who wants can engage in it, but at the same time, homosexuality is an abomination unto the L-rd, as described in Leviticus 19:22. He agreed with this, which disturbed me, because I was all ready for a fight, and here was this guy just giving in like that!
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Interesting dream, eh? And now it's time to dream again...
Saturday, June 6, 2009
Devotion it ain't
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FASCINATING! is that really your opinion, or only your dream opinion?
also - dude, you dream about blogging?
Yup, that's my opinion.
Apparently.
wow you have a great imagination
as i said on my blog, i like gay guys, though i dont condone what they do.
and dreaming abt blogging...lame. try out some new things in life.
Anon: Is that what it means?
Altie: You like gay guys? I have the perfect shidduch for you!
lol. thanks! but i think when i do decide to date, and get into shidduchim, id prefer a straight guy. after all, as c so kindly pointed out, gay guys make great freinds, but u cant exactly marry them. they will never love u like u love them.
Why are women so picky? I'll never understand it...
ha. we are not picky. you're kalla agreed to marry you, so obviously she is not picky, lucky for you.
really, i dont think a gay-straight marriage can work, unless one of them supresses their natural sexual urges. (sorry for the graphic words.)
e: That's it? I'm disappointed.
Altie: Re: topic 1: (snort)
Re: topic 2: Or it's just more convenient for the two of them...
convenient its not. it would never work.
If both partners were homosexual in nature, then it would be a good cover for them both in a society that disapproved of it, for example Lubavitch.
wow u have a great imagination
Haven't you already said that?
what a silly conversation! aand dreaming about blogging might insinuate a problem ;) because I do not know what it is to be in that situation or have those needs i do not presume to levy judgement on them. And it isn't as though they woke up one day and decided "today I'm going to be an abomination!" this is the way he were created. I not saying i condone it but i am in no position to tell anyone but myself how to live at this point. oh but i do think that the entire issue should remain in the realm of moral argument and never enter the political sphere.
I think the issue should always enter into the political sphere.
Altie, that was a mean! I am picky!
lol. sorry Le7. if u are picky, then i guess TRS must be a great guy. he is all the more lucky now.
trs- a cover up, yes. too bad i am straqight. or not too bad.
i dont think its anyones business what your sexual preferance is, UNLESS u make it public, discuss it, and disturb the peace (and peace of mind)
then it becomes a public issue.
Maybe I'm asking for it but what side was I on?
Altie I must warn you, before seeking friendship of the abominable sort, make sure you're a sharp dresser lest you face their wrath. ;)
its ok sara, i welcome the chance to get fashion tips from a gay guy. they are always right on the mark.
Did we meet last night?
Sebastion: desire does not equal action-that's the whole point of hiskafia.
Nemo: yes Mr. Attorney, we know.
le7: glad to hear it :)
Altie: yes, he is a great guy, thankyou very much.
You are straight or not too bad?
How could it possibly disturb the peace?
Modeh: do you really want to know?
Sara: could you help her in that department?
Altie: and you know this because...?
Anon: no, sorry.
I think it would be really interesting to see who was on what side. It was only a dream... I doubt anyone will take serious offense.
Well, whoever is interested can comment that they are and I'll see what I can do.
What side was I on?
As far as I recall you said that as long as people kept to themselves and didn't make problems you didn't care what they did.
Ah hah libertarian I am!
Was I involved at all?
What about yours truly?
le7: yeah, that's it.
C: of course.
e: ditto.
Nu...?
C: you said some mushy lovey-dovey thing about loving the sinner and hating the sin.
And I?
What did I say?
scuba-scribing
e: something about how Muhammed wouldn't approve.
Sara: gays have suffered, and suffering makes great art. I think.
Self contained underwater breathing apparatus.
That sounds like a hilarious dream! I love how everyone's replies are so characteristic...
My subconscious must have everyone down pat.
Wow, I sound like a naive idiot... but I guess it is characteristic.
TRS-I must say you seem to be making it up as we ask... although you do a good job of figuring people out.
Ouch! Why would I do that?
So no one will be upset with you.
Why would anyone be upset with me?
What did I say?
Snort, how very appropriate.
i am straight. not too bad, meaning, its a good thing.
yes, it can disturb the peace, just like the mosques here in israel with their prayer chants all day long are disturbing. bad comparisan, i know, but they are both annoying. you can be gay in private, but publically, it is a nuisance.
Nemo: you were salivating at the prospect of a lawsuit, but I can't remember if it was for or against. Truth be told, it doesn't matter, right? I mean, a lawyer is like a woman of the night...
Sara: yup.
Altie: that's good to hear.
How could someone being gay possibly disturb the peace heck, maybe being straight disturbs the peace?
I don't think in real life I would mention Mohammad in a conversation about homosexuality. Why do we need Islam for homophobia, when we have our very own Leviticus?
That's why this is a dream, not real life. But now that we've mentioned muhammed, what was his opinion on homosexuality?
and me??
"gay men know how to dress so well."
hmmm.....
Yeah I want to know.
Muhammed on gay people.
"Stone them and not the relatively compassionate way the sanhedrin did either
ooh ooh what did I say?!
oh and me! what did I say?
J
Cheerio: what does that mean?
Modeh: stoning the Jewish way is compassionate.
Sebastion: you were the same as J, sorry.
it means that i'm not sure that's what i actually would say...
That's what my subconscious thinks you would say. What do you think you would say?
That's what I said. I can give you the breakdown about how much more brutal the muslim way is but that would be too graphic. Now what did I say already?
Hey, give us the graphic breakdown!
a. the struggle with homosexuality is like the struggle with any taivah. it shouldnt be regarded with any more disgust.
b. marriage in general shouldnt be a legal issue, but a religious one.
Modeh: nu, what does it say? As for what you said... Something about whether you like it or not it's an abomination against the L-rd.
Cheerio: sure it's disgusting, just like a father sleeping with his daughter is disgusting, or a woman allowing a donkey to mate with her is disgusting. There's a reason the Torah calls it an abomination.
I gave the graphic breakdown last night. I don't know why it isn't up. And that is not so far from my real opinion but not that close either.
I never understood it to be regarded in the same light as incest or beastiality (never thought youd see those words on your blog eh?) I also understood it to be a taivah, I mean there are other things mentioned as be "abominations" or rather upsetting to G-d.
modeh: could you write it again, or post a link?
Sebastion: of course it's a taavah, just like pederasty is a taavah-doesn't mean it's not an abomination. Take a look in the torah where it's prohibited and you'll see that in context it's compared to bestiality, fornication with close relatives, etc.
compared to bestiality, fornication with close relatives, etc.
and comes out worse for the comparison. BTW it's 18:22.
Here's the comparison:
Jewis convict prep: get him drunk so he doesn't feel as much
Muslim convict prep: flog him first so he's in pain already
Jewish first step: Chuck him off a building so hopefully he dies quicker
Muslim first step: bury him up to mid-torso so he can't get away
Jewish step2: Roll a big rock over him so hopefully he dies faster
Muslim step2: aim low to prolong pain
Jewish final step: Nothing for it then, witnesses first.
Muslim final step: 50 points for the head. Line up kiddies!!
whoops, stupid wiki.
Nice, now we know why e wants to become a Muslim.
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